Considering downgrading to ES250
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Considering downgrading to ES250
My LS lease is coming up and considering downgrading to the ES. Never would have considered it, but they do now have AWD and I really am doing a LOT less driving.
It is a nice looking car, and would love to save big $$$$. I wish they made the ES350 AWD, then I would be all in....I'm a little nervous about the engine on the ES250 being too weak!
It is a nice looking car, and would love to save big $$$$. I wish they made the ES350 AWD, then I would be all in....I'm a little nervous about the engine on the ES250 being too weak!
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dont bother you will be miserable, its ok with technology and mpg, but to much of a drastic move
I recemond you move to a genesis v6 turbo not the 2.5 turbo... great car great performance lexus amenities for 50 k
good luck
I recemond you move to a genesis v6 turbo not the 2.5 turbo... great car great performance lexus amenities for 50 k
good luck
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The ES 250 is the same 2.5L engine as the Camry with 203 hp
https://www.lexus.com/models/ES?link[InfoLayer][SHOW_PAGE]=true&link[InfoLayerInner][setActiveTab]=1
https://www.lexus.com/models/ES?link[InfoLayer][SHOW_PAGE]=true&link[InfoLayerInner][setActiveTab]=1
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Actually I would add some of my own. I have an 2018 GS 350 F Sport and drove a ES 350 F sport as a loaner. I thought it was a competent effort but was surprised how much more refined and sporty the GS, e.g., luxury, ride, build quality, platform stiffness,...etc. Was really surprised since the ES Is a much newer platform.
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My LS lease is coming up and considering downgrading to the ES. Never would have considered it, but they do now have AWD and I really am doing a LOT less driving.
It is a nice looking car, and would love to save big $$$$. I wish they made the ES350 AWD, then I would be all in....I'm a little nervous about the engine on the ES250 being too weak!
It is a nice looking car, and would love to save big $$$$. I wish they made the ES350 AWD, then I would be all in....I'm a little nervous about the engine on the ES250 being too weak!
I had one as a loaner, you can downgrade like that you’ll never be satisfied. The LS makes the es250 feel like a Toyota Corolla.
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Actually I would add some of my own. I have an 2018 GS 350 F Sport and drove a ES 350 F sport as a loaner. I thought it was a competent effort but was surprised how much more refined and sporty the GS, e.g., luxury, ride, build quality, platform stiffness,...etc. Was really surprised since the ES Is a much newer platform.
Also ES has more combined legroom than newest LS.
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has nothing to do with stiffness, the rwd vs fwd platform is night and day difference in driving performance and dynamics
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Agree on the legroom. The 2018 GS platform felt more solid to me and no I am not confusing platform stiffness with ride stiffness. The 2016 and later GS’s are also stiffer than the 2013-2015 models but have a slightly softer ride. The GSF was released in 2016 and structural changes were implemented to improve the chassis stiffness. I suspect that some of these improvements were inherited by the regular GS models.
Last edited by Savjam; Mar 6, 2021 at 01:19 PM.
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Agree the RWD of the GS makes it a better handling car than the ES. I was still impressed with ES’ balance between luxury and sport but it felt like a lower class car when compared to the GS.
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So, did give it a test drive. Car is actually quite nice in appearance and decent enough inside. Engine is not great. Perhaps if it was an ES350 AWD, this would be a quick and easy decision, but the 250 is lacking quite a bit of juice between 2nd and 3rd gear.
Now I have to decide how cheap I want to be!
In other news, but 2018 LS which is due to go back apparently has $5K of equity in it. Might be able to collect that from Carvana.
Now I have to decide how cheap I want to be!
In other news, but 2018 LS which is due to go back apparently has $5K of equity in it. Might be able to collect that from Carvana.