Go buy a 10 year old S Class and come talk to us lol

Or pony up and buy a new one and care for it from the beginning properly.

Just because you weren’t happy with yours doesn’t mean the people that are happy with theirs are wrong. Just move along and buy something else.

 

obviously I have already gotten rid of the LS and moved along however I can still be disappointed in Lexus and the quality of the LS460. Even those that have bought new and cared for the car have had all of the same problems used buyers have had. The fact that you all are okay with the shortcomings of the car speaks for the reason Lexus will continue to ignore the opportunities in design and engineering.
If consumers allow the company will do or not do.
You guys have lost the “pursuit of perfection” (Lexus slogan) if you think the 4th gen 4 LS is a great car, it leaves much to be desired from a luxury sedan and again I will say the used market value for these cars speaks to that as many people just want out of THE MONEY PIT the market is flooded with used LS460s and they are all someone else’s problem that they are getting rid of end of story.

 

That’s totally not true, there are many many members here who haven’t had any issues with their cars. But no, nothing lasts forever and even cars bought new and perfectly maintained will need repairs at some point. That’s part of owning any car.

My LS is the best car I’ve ever had. If it becomes problematic later in its life, I will trade it in on something new, no big deal.

 

In your own post,
SW17LS , 08-20-19 07:30 PM
So I've developed this symptom while braking, its almost like a "crunch" type feeling, started VERY sporadically but its gotten worse and now I can feel it sometimes when even pumping the brakes while I'm stopped. Going to have Lexus look at it obviously, but does that sound like the sort of symptom those of you who have had actuator failures have seen?

Car has 29,500 miles on i

there is no reason under any circumstances a brake actuator should fail with that low of mileage period. And your LS is a 2017 right? Mine was an 09 that failed, that gives Lexus 8 years to correct the problem which they did not. They put a bandaid on it to buy them more time with their warranty enhancement program.

 

The brake actuator needed to be replaced under warranty, and it was. It’s just not a big deal.

Every car I’ve ever had has had some sort of warranty repair in its life, including all of my older Lexus vehicles.

 

What happens when/if that GX develops multiple issues? It baffles the mind how you make blanket statements about Lexus and still drive one of their vehicles. You think they lost their way with the LS but somehow found it again with the GX. It makes no sense.

 

I’ve often considered buying a GX470 as a third vehicle. They’re great trucks but they too have common issues. Lots of reports of frame rust, KDSS suspension issues, axle failures, there’s an issue with paint fading in a couple of different colors.

None of those issues would preclude me from buying one because they’re well documented and the vehicles are old and won’t be perfect.

 

Just got a quote on having the O2 sensor replaced on my ls600. Dealer quote is $704+tax independent shop says they have to take out the motor and transmission to replace the O2 sensor. Obviously this is by design and is a perfect example of what the op and others are talking about.

 

I would get a quote from a different independent mechanic. No way the dealer is 1/4 what an independent mechanic is, and the dealer isn’t taking the engine and transmission out for $700, which means it isn’t necessary.

Another part of owning a car like this is shops and things not really understanding how to work on them and trying to overcharge you, especially a 600.

 

The FSM may call for the removal of lots of things that Techs don't actually remove. This would not be a reason to call it a money pit, this would be more in line with placement of said part that makes you have to remove lots of other things to get to it. Like the starter on the 400 and 430. I could only find 1 other member with a 600 that had to change the sensor. I would like to know what's involved since it seems like most of the cost is the actual part.

 

It makes sense to me because the GX has not had a major redesign until after 2009 I believe, that to me means they are still true to Lexus reliability standards, what they were trying to achieve when they designed the 400s and 430s. Now blanket statements if you may however most of the GXs do not have kdss, no frame rust if you don’t buy one that’s lived in snow and salted roads, and the paint faiding is for a specific color which yes Lexus recently released non other than a warranty enhancement to repair the failing, peeling paint.
I did my research and neither of the GXs I own have that color, nore the kdss system. The GX I recently traded the LS for is now at 120k miles and runs like a top with guess what no problems, no shimmies, nothing.
The 06 I have owned for over three years has 184k miles and runs like a top, no shimmies, no shakes, nothing. Yes I have replaced the radiator, both cv boots, & rear air suspension bags all rubber and plastic parts that most definitely will fail given that age and miles, those were very easy repairs as well.
Those are okay to me, I am not okay with something like a brake actuator that fails to the tune of min $700 up to $3000 and has been faulty for about 10 years on the same car. That shows me Lexus is losing their pursuit of perfection.

 

Wow, I have to strenuously disagree. Mine, while still is under warranty, has been on the road for over five years. The couple things that went wrong the dealer fixed under warranty. (Brakes and sunroof). Love the car and if anything breaks in the future I'll just pay to have it fixed and move on. Best car I've ever had by far.

 

“No frame rust if you buy somewhere that doesn’t have salt”

Well, no melting interior panels if you live somewhere that isn’t a hot climate.

That’s what’s called a “double standard”

Perfection doesn’t exist, that’s why it’s the Relentless PURSUIT of Perfection.

 

This^^^. It simply blows my mind how little people seem to know about these cars, and this^^ is exhibit “A” right here. $700 for an O2 sensor does NOT mean the engine needs to come out. Lol. Independent shops - at least some of them - will not touch high end luxury cars. There’s a few reasons for this (try not to get offended everyone), but if you own a high end luxury car and take it to an independent to get it fixed, it might say a couple things that may cause the guy to “worry”. It might give the impression that you’re cheap; that you bought the expensive car, but don’t want to fix it (or worse, don’t have money to fix it). And now they are stuck fixing a car that they don’t see very often. They know parts will be expensive, they know there will be a learning curve and they know YOU are going to balk when you hear how much such and such part/procedure will cost. They don’t want that car sitting on their lift for three days (taking money away from other repairs they could be making on “normal” cars). And they don’t want you to leave unhappy with your higher priced repair bill - then go online and complain about it to the local community - and I can’t tell you many times I’ve seen that happen to local independents in my area. Oh my god! Just last week a guy brought his BMW into a shop down the street and posted his repair bill on our towns local community page! It was an oil change, a state inspection, wipers and bulbs. All of it was very much in line with what he should have been charged. All of it. This guy complained to 20,000 plus local residents about a repair that was more than fair. The shop had to defend themselves and explain each repair and how the customer asked for all of those repairs. Ridiculous.

Ive said it before, I’ll say it again. The LS460 is a reliable, fantastic automobile. Parts are very expensive. That’s the problem. And most of these cars are now 10 plus years old. That’s the problem. Not your “control arms”, that a high school automotive student can replace in under an hour...not your melting arm rest, that an upholstery shop can repair for $150 bucks. The problem is YOU. You should have bought that 8 year old Toyota Camry...and then complained about the $4,000 repair bill it needed for struts, alignment, check engine light and valve cover gaskets. Then you’d be happy buzzin down the highway in a tin can.

 

These made me laugh. Yes the dropping value has nothing to do with the age of the car, or the fact that people want SUV's.....No matter at all huh? LOL. What youre seeing now is people buying the LS because the price is $10k and then when they get a $3k bill for a repair they are having a heart attack. That's what all this is.