Notices
LS - 4th Gen (2007-2017) Discussion topics related to the current flagship models LS460, LS460L and LS600H

Got rear ended...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 14, 2019 | 08:55 AM
  #16  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by JLAWS
Sometimes I miss the days of cars with steel bumpers. I'm surprised the guy was so apologetic. I could see him saying., "come on man, it's nothing. Here is $20 for some touch up paint." Too bad silver touch up paint doesn't seem to blend as well as black or most dark colors.
Me too! lol
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2019 | 11:27 AM
  #17  
Mikerx80's Avatar
Mikerx80
Intermediate
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 277
Likes: 47
From: Ca
Default

Originally Posted by Benjam1n
I'd disagree. This high value 2 year old luxury car is now flagged with "1 accident reported" for the rest of its life. It can no longer be "L-Certified." Most prospective buyers who would pay big bucks for a "perfect" new to them Lexus in mint condition as this one surely is will just skip over the listing and the only interested customers will be the low ballers and resellers. That is what a claim for diminished value is. Get a few estimates before you decide what shop to use. I'd recommend one certified by Toyota/Lexus and definitely nowhere the guys insurance company suggests!
Something like this will not deter this vehicle from being L-Certified as long as the car has been well taken care of (maintained at dealership, low mileage, and etc.). You will see L-Certified vehicles come up time to time with a minor accident reported on Carfax. The cost of this repair may be even below the threshold to be reported. Here in California it’s $1000 to be reportable by law.

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/mai...pre-owned.html

Diminished value for something like this is laughable.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2019 | 02:18 PM
  #18  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Pretty impressed with Geico. Got a call just now, had sent in pictures through their claim app, have an estimate in hand just over $500, my body shop of choice is reflected, everything is approved including the rental car and it can go into the shop as soon as the shop can take it...
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2019 | 02:47 PM
  #19  
Searosis's Avatar
Searosis
Pit Crew
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 142
Likes: 63
From: Florida
Default

Although this majorly sucks aside from the inconvenience you’ll be OK financially. If I recall correctly you leased this vehicle so the diminished value claim is just not worth pursuing as it’s not your problem.

I had almost the exact same rear end happen with my old 2013 ES 350 and I got a $2500 diminished value settlement which actually work because that was about what they knocked off when I traded it in.

Luxury cars if they have a Nick on the Carfax it definitely affects the value.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2019 | 02:51 PM
  #20  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

My guess is it won't even show up on a Carfax, I haven't had anything like that show up on a Carfax.

Its leased but I may very well buy it out at the end and keep it a while. We'll see. Buyout on it is very low though.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2019 | 07:59 PM
  #21  
UDel's Avatar
UDel
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 12,269
Likes: 296
From: ------
Default

There should be no issue repairing that bumper, my dad got rear ended on the highway by some druggie and the bumper was way worse and he had it repaired to where it looked brand new. He said the USAA certified repair place told him they use a new technique now instead of replacing bumpers and they look perfect after the repair.

As far as diminished value, I just don't see how you would really lose value over such a minor tap and damage, you have everything documented including pictures, if anyone would try to give you less for the car saying it has a accident on it you could just show them the pics that is was just minor.

Who is really not going to buy or only buy if they get a big discount a pretty hard to find car like a LS460 because it had such a minor tap as long as it was fixed properly? I would not lower my selling price a dime because of something so minor especially when I have documentation and it was fixed properly. Funny thing is nobody would know about these minor or even medium fender benders before Carfax but now some people freak out over one or two accidents just because there is a record of it on some site and act like the car is tarnished and unworthy of a purchase just because there is a record of it being in a minor accident or two. Just about every car eventually has some accident or minor damage do to something during its lifetime. KBB does not even factor in accidents on the value of cars.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2019 | 05:08 AM
  #22  
mbarron37's Avatar
mbarron37
Advanced
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 746
Likes: 83
From: MA
Default

Originally Posted by FunFact
You seem to not realize there is literally an option to hide accidents on CarGurus, huh? Accidents on a record are actually a big deal to people, and are quite often a dealbreaker. Why, because there are tons of crappy companies that do repairs, and because many times the cars never come out looking as good as they would from the factory. So, there is most certainly diminished value from an accident, regardless of the damage type, if it is reported.
Also, KBB CAN'T factor accidents into the value, because they are just comparing prices and there would be too many variables to consider to try to even make those numbers work reliably.
Agreed. Every search I perform on CarGurus, I always exclude vehicles that have an accident reported. May be nothing or could have been in a major accident, but I’m not interested. Tough to sell a vehicle that had been in an accident, even a minor one like this. If trading, dealers will take it, but they will give you less because it’s flagged on CarFax.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2019 | 05:33 AM
  #23  
Searosis's Avatar
Searosis
Pit Crew
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 142
Likes: 63
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
My guess is it won't even show up on a Carfax, I haven't had anything like that show up on a Carfax.

Its leased but I may very well buy it out at the end and keep it a while. We'll see. Buyout on it is very low though.
Did you contact the police? In my case we called because the guy that hit me was questionable looking so I wanted to be sure to document. That’s how it hit the car fax in my case
Reply
ClubLexus Stories

Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe

story-0

TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?

 Brett Foote
story-4

GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Top 10 Reasons to Buy a Lexus TX 550h+ (& 3 Reasons to AVOID!)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

Top 10 Lexus & Toyota Models of the 1990s RANKED!

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

10 Great Toyotas That Could Have Been Lexus Models

 Joe Kucinski
Old Sep 15, 2019 | 08:10 AM
  #24  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Nope, didnt call the police. That will trigger a Carfax too agreed.

In my case I have pictures, a video of the accident, and all the documentation plus a 90% chance it never appears on a Carfax anyways.

My wife's 2004 Prius had $5000 worth of hail damage repaired and never showed up on a Carfax, and never impacted its value. I've had numerous cars over the years that have had this sort of repair, and its never come up when selling or trading them in, and its never showed up on a Carfax.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2019 | 03:22 PM
  #25  
R Z's Avatar
R Z
Pole Position
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,210
Likes: 348
From: Tennessee
Default

Sorry to read this. Tennessee passed a no phone law recently. Probably won’t stop all of these bumper thumpers. Just hope in time it catches on.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2019 | 03:24 PM
  #26  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by R Z
Sorry to read this. Tennessee passed a no phone law recently. Probably won’t stop all of these bumper thumpers. Just hope in time it catches on.
Handheld phones are illegal here too. You see what good that did me lol
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2019 | 06:54 AM
  #27  
DIMINISHED's Avatar
DIMINISHED
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 22
Likes: 2
From: FL
Default

Here's an FYI. Leasing companies are now coming after lessors for diminished value. I believe that it is a growing trend. For owned-cars though, this minor accident will result in your losing about 15% of the pre-accident fair market value.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2019 | 09:18 AM
  #28  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by DIMINISHED
Here's an FYI. Leasing companies are now coming after lessors for diminished value. I believe that it is a growing trend. For owned-cars though, this minor accident will result in your losing about 15% of the pre-accident fair market value.
Like I said before, I have had several cars that have had bumpers repainted and replaced and I have never experienced that, not once. I think you guys are making this a way bigger deal than it is. Car is being fixed at Lexus' referred shop, not going to have any problems with turning the car in if thats what I choose to do. The lessor of a vehicle can't even bring an action for diminished value.

Its two scrapes on a bumper, I think we all need a little reality check here.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2019 | 12:02 PM
  #29  
TriC's Avatar
TriC
Racer
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,583
Likes: 278
From: Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by DIMINISHED
Here's an FYI. Leasing companies are now coming after lessors for diminished value. I believe that it is a growing trend. For owned-cars though, this minor accident will result in your losing about 15% of the pre-accident fair market value.
I disagree with this blanket statement and offer the following supporting anecdote. In 12/15 my wife's 2014 Honda CRV EX-L was hit somewhat hard in a freeway crash. Fortunately, she, my daughter, and infant granddaughter were not injured. The repair bill was $7600 for a new rear bumper cover, a new right rear quarter panel, a new right rear door skin, and a new alloy wheel. The car also required some time on a frame machine. The repairs were performed at a Honda store and were superbly done.

Once finished we literally drove straight from the repair facility and traded it on a new Toyota 2016 RAV4. After disclosure of its crash history, the dealer calculated its trade value at $21,000, a mere $800 less than if it had never been damaged. I was delighted at such a small hit, less than 5%. My wife couldn't sign the paperwork fast enough!

Diminished value depends on several factors and I've never seen any authoritative information to suggest a fixed percentage applicable in all cases.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2019 | 02:39 PM
  #30  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,096
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

And had you not disclosed its history I bet it wouldnt have even come up.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:44 PM.

story-0
TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

Slideshow: diving into 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium's pricing, performance, fuel economy, features, and amenities!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-23 13:09:18


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

Slideshow: the 10 Lexus and Toyota vehicles you need to drive before you die.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-23 10:34:24


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation

Slideshow: Top 10 Lexus/Toyota models with the lowest 5-year depreciation rate.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-08 12:19:06


VIEW MORE
story-3
Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?

The LC hasn't even disappeared from the Lexus lineup yet, and we're already seeing signs of an explosive market.

By Brett Foote | 2026-04-06 09:25:02


VIEW MORE
story-4
GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler

Slideshow: comparing the pricings, specs, power, fuel economy, fun-factor, and features of the GX 550 Luxury+ and TX 550h+ Luxury.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-19 13:44:11


VIEW MORE
story-5
9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)

Slideshow: 9 best Lexus models you can buy for half price and 1 you should avoid

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-19 12:01:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!

Here's everything you need to know about the latest NX.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-19 11:56:59


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Reasons to Buy a Lexus TX 550h+ (& 3 Reasons to AVOID!)

Slideshow: reviewing the 2026 Lexus TX 550h+ Luxury plug-in hybrid crossover SUV!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-05 19:04:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Lexus & Toyota Models of the 1990s RANKED!

Slideshow: Top 10 Lexus and Toyota model of the 1990s ranked.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-04 12:35:11


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Great Toyotas That Could Have Been Lexus Models

Slideshow: 10 Toyotas that could have been Lexus models.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-02-19 11:44:33


VIEW MORE