From 4th generation LS to 2019 ES?
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That is an interesting premise. I have not driven the new ES yet. The ES certainly looks sportier and not as bland as previous iterations. It would have newer safety features and tech too and the new engine is more powerful too, plus ES gained an 8-speed. It is as spacious as an Avalon and no hump in the rear due to the FWD layout. Without driving the 2019 ES yet, I dont have any interest to trade down. I would really prefer to drive the ES before truly deciding but it would take a lot for me to relinquish the V8, refinement, and features of our LS. I also think it would be a challenge for me, psychologically, to go backwards from LS to ES. For that to happen, the ES would need to out-LS the 4th-gen LS, which probabaly is not going to happen.
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[QUOTE=FatherTo1;10271260]That is an interesting premise. I have not driven the new ES yet. The ES certainly looks sportier and not as bland as previous iterations. It would have newer safety features and tech too and the new engine is more powerful too, plus ES gained an 8-speed. It is as spacious as an Avalon and no hump in the rear due to the FWD layout. Without driving the 2019 ES yet, I dont have any interest to trade down. I would really prefer to drive the ES before truly deciding but it would take a lot for me to relinquish the V8, refinement, and features of our LS. I also think it would be a challenge for me, psychologically, to go backwards from LS to ES. For that to happen, the ES would need to out-LS the 4th-gen LS, which probabaly is not going to happen.[/QUOTE
Well said Father! I’ve owned a 2014 ES hybrid and was floored at the Rear seat legroom and other amenities, coming from a 2012 MB E350 Diesel V6. I can only imagine what this generation will bring to the table.
I agree with the other commentor, it will definitely feel lighter. I am very pleased with my 2016 LS, not impressed with the LS 500, although I am very envious of the passive safety systems.
Well said Father! I’ve owned a 2014 ES hybrid and was floored at the Rear seat legroom and other amenities, coming from a 2012 MB E350 Diesel V6. I can only imagine what this generation will bring to the table.
I agree with the other commentor, it will definitely feel lighter. I am very pleased with my 2016 LS, not impressed with the LS 500, although I am very envious of the passive safety systems.
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I would never go back to the ES, I'd much rather just keep my LS inferior tech and all. Or, if you want to save money look at something like a Genesis G90 which is more similar to the LS460 than the LS500 is.
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No one should knock this question until they actually drive the 2019 ES. Drive a 1990 LS vs. the 2002 ES, and the difference isn't hugely noticeable. The 02 ES was actually far more luxurious than the 90 LS. 12 years is a long time for a manufacture to make upgrades and improve engineering. Now I'm not saying the new ES will be better than an 07 LS (Consumer Reports rated it their highest tested vehicle ever at that time), but it might check some boxes that people thought an ES would never check.
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No one should knock this question until they actually drive the 2019 ES. Drive a 1990 LS vs. the 2002 ES, and the difference isn't hugely noticeable. The 02 ES was actually far more luxurious than the 90 LS. 12 years is a long time for a manufacture to make upgrades and improve engineering. Now I'm not saying the new ES will be better than an 07 LS (Consumer Reports rated it their highest tested vehicle ever at that time), but it might check some boxes that people thought an ES would never check.
Obviously I haven't driven a 2019 ES but unless its an exponential improvement over the current ES350, which I have driven a ton of my opinion will stand. Remember too that the OP has a 2016 LS460, not a 2007.
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Thanks gals and guys for all your comments...I’ll stick with my 2016 LS 460...grateful for this experience. I’ve owned all of the following brand new: 1991 Nissan Maxima, 2008 Infiniti G35 sedan , 2011 MB E350 V6 diesel, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2014 MB E250 diesel, and now this 2016 Lexus, and it has eclipsed all others, though I must admit, the G35 was a fun car. I do believe the LS is an understated luxury vehicle and it represents the very best in reliability and quality!
