Why would I care what the 0-60 time or slalom time of a LS460 I bought to ride down the road as quietly and comfortably as possible? Should I have checked the 0-60 and slalom times of my minivan too?

Of course a 750i is faster and handles better than a LS460. For one, its $17,000 more expensive as per that article. It also has a turbocharged V8 with more HP and more importantly significantly more torque. If I cared about that, I would have bought one. It is however not nearly as smooth riding or as quiet and refined as the LS...since thats what I wanted I bought the LS.

I don't participate in a lot of drag races or track circuits...so I'm good.

I don't think you're "lying", but I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about no. Nor do I think you actually believe any of this stuff you're spouting based on other posts you've made. I basically think you're just trolling. I'm enjoying just smacking down all your BS though. Keep it coming.

Exactly. I bought what I wanted. You bought something with no understanding of what it actually is, competes with, and can and can't do. If you dislike your Lexus, get rid of it and get some plasticky cheap overgrown Accord for $65k lol. Hope your transmission doesn't fail at 70k.

 

It's downright dangerous when a car that hesitates while the driver has the pedal pinned to the floor.

The LS is what I thought it was. I must admit the suspension is not what I thought it was. Why would a modern company build a Lincoln under such a beautiful machine. The Mercedes exceeded my expectation but it's a gt tourer and the LS suspension is weak at speed. In a perfect world without obstacles and other drivers it would be perfection.

Attack all you want dude. I would expect more class here but I know you pretty well at this point: emotionally erratic. Which is quite a feat to sustain in text

 

My LS does not exhibit this behavior, nor did my 430 or 400. The 400 had a slight delay between applying throttle and throttle kick in in some situations which was a characteristic of the early electronic throttles (my 03 ES had this too), but it was gone in the 430 and is as well in the 460.

The transmission is a little laid back in terms of downshifting when driven hard, but again...its a laid back car.

LOL. Again, I've owned every generation of the LS but the very first generation. This is what the LS has ALWAYS been, in fact the 460 is a little bit sportier than the 430 and the 400 before it. It has never been a dynamic or engaging car. Its meant to be a plush, quiet highway cruiser and thats what it does well. You bought the car with the wrong set of assumptions, and thats on you.

If you want something more dynamic, its out there.

LOL, my emotions have been dead steady. Playing with you has made my day. You're out of your league here, plain and simple and that clearly upsets you and I think its quite amusing.

In any event. This is ClubLexus, a Lexus enthusiast forum and specifically the LS460 Forum, so why would you be surprised that people who post here are enthusiastic about Lexus, and specifically the LS460?

If you want to talk to people who think other cars are superior, they are out there on other forums...go find them.

 

I find the exchange amusing like a drunk heckler trying to out do the comedian but ends up being the butt of the joke that is way above the hecklers intellect. I think this is bringing out an interesting conversation about handling.

Handling is a poorly understood concept to many. Handling is not about max grip and stiff suspension feel trying to take the curves as fast as you can or is it numbers posted in a magazine . Handling is about control of the car . Easy to maneuver in various situations not always necessarily at the limit. In many ways the most boring of cars are some of the best handling because they are easy for the driver to control all aspects including the braking and so forth within the speeds the car was designed for. The cars with some of the best slalom times or other metrics that get them around a track faster are some of the worst handling cars on the street.
When it comes to accident avoidance you don't want a track like car in the hands of an inexperienced driver because it will be unforgiving at the limit and cause an accident. Cars like a Camry or even our Lexus LS are better in this regard because they do not get squirrely when they need to be corrected giving the driver a degree of control to safely make an emergency maneuver.
The type of handing in a luxury car is very different than a sports car. The LS does this especially well for low speed maneuvers around parking lots and making U turns around intersections. It essentially makes a big car drive easy which is what luxury is all about.

When it comes to all out driving fast people are disillusioned. A good driver in an ordinary car will put to shame a poser who bought into the better handling car BS. Better handling starts with the driver, the car is just the instrument and the more modified the car gets without learning how to drive makes the car handle less then it was before the change.

 

Devh great write up a little long but good. Intro was bizarre but u saved the post;-)

When I give the keys to a driver who drives a std 2000 e320 4matic I have to say, be careful that thing is not going to change lanes at 70mph like you're used to. Can you compare the hwy handling or cornering to anything else besides another $20k Toyo. I think we agree the hey handling, curve carving, and abrupt maneuvers push the limits of the suspension. Get all enthusiastic if you want, but I don't get enthusiastic about sub par. LS doesn't get a "handling" trophy for showing up.

 

Sw are you well man? This is dangerous on the road:

The transmission is a little laid back in terms of downshifting when driven hard, but again...its a laid back car.

*if they put that in a brochure sales go goodbye. There is no situation where I need artificial delay. I either want to go or not. I don't want to go when the car overcomes its internal challenges. Flag on the play!

 

Thats exactly what I was going for! Its always nice when someone really gets your art

Absurd.

Again, absurd. If the thing is so "dangerous" why don't you get rid of it! Man...those 87% of LS460 owners who say they would get another one must be nuts!

You know as well as I do the car is perfectly safe, its just not an athletic car. Shift points in the transmission are set to emphasize comfort and seamless operation over quick downshifts to maximize acceleration because its not a car designed to be driven aggressively. I have driven many cars with transmissions more "laid back" than that in the LS460.

How about in other threads over the last few days when you've said the following:

You are totally full of it LOL

 

The car is great the handling sucks. It is not without its flaws. Be enthusiastic but don't b rediculous. The shift points and seamless operation are up for debate. But there are ppl on this board that think putting the thing in sport mode is a fix for tranny delays. If you can't address reality get out of the kitchen. Way too many Sedona hours smh...yeah that time I brought it up

 

I'd rather have my Sedona than some crappy Acura lol Seriously, that's no joke there are a bunch of Hyundais and Kias I'd much rather have than most Acuras.

I don't see where anybody has said the car is perfect lol, no car is perfect. The handling sucks if you expect it to be a strong handling car. To me, the handling is perfect because I knew what I was buying. I traded a great handling car for it.

It shifts much quicker in sport mode, but I leave it in normal.

You've spent too many hours under that bridge.

 

I've been trying to be civil and avoid the "Troll" label, but it' pretty clear where you're head is at.

Don't feed the Troll.

And hopefully the mods will jump in.

 

Superdenso, please exit this thread.

You've made your opinion known and are now making things needlessly personal.

Edit - arguments continued, this thread is closed.