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2014 LS460L, Help me decide

Old Feb 2, 2024 | 09:03 PM
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Default 2014 LS460L, Help me decide

Found this on AutoTrader. 51k miles, $31000 (Original MSRP $100k I believe)
2014 Lexus LS 460L

Pretty much fully-loaded (no 'blank' buttons): rear wheel drive, adaptive variable air suspension, Mark Levinson, ultra luxury package, lane keep assist, aniline & alcantara leather, dynamic radar cruise, massaging seats, soft-close doors, Etc. Etc.
Clean Carfax, routine maintenance records, no major repairs. Only thing that concerns me is 4 owners (why sell if it's such a great car?)

Also found similar prices - 2018-19 RX 450h AWD, 60k miles

Which car will hold value better? More reliable? The LS is considerably quieter and smoother and feels like a $100k car. The RX is more practical, better MPG and easier to park!

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Old Feb 2, 2024 | 11:00 PM
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I'd say it depends on what you planning to use it for. If you going to zoom around in the city, get that RX. RX is much better for life in the city. If you looking at some highway miles, living in the suburbs and roads are good in your area, go for the LS. Another thing to consider is the air suspension. When this air suspension goes caboom (when, not if) it will cost you good chunk of cash. RX doesn't have air suspension and the LS has. Generally speaking RX is much cheaper to maintain than the LS460, I mean cheaper by a nautical mile. Maybe previous 4 owners of this LS discovered true cost of maintaining LS460 with all these bells and whistles and they got scared. Another thing to keep in mind, Carfax doesn't mean squat these days. I've owned few beaters with clean Carfax in the past. My last toyota was in several accidents, it was completely re-painted twice and also had clear Carfax. You have to check that car yourself or send somebody familiar with body reapairs to look at it. I mean, don't get me wrong here. Fully loaded LS460 is a great car, no doubts about it, it's just not cheap to maintain and you definitely need PRE purchase inspection if you decide to go for it.
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 05:12 PM
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The big items have been mentioned, but I found a new issue that might make your decision. Is the car being garaged? If so, the LS is huge. I just measured and one will barely fit on one side of my 2 car. (We do have a fridge, cabinets, and I have a rolling toolbox, though). In fact, I looked up the dimensions of my wife’s 15 GX, and it has a smaller footprint, which surprised me. The SWB 460 is 200” and the L is 205” long. Almost 74” wide. It will be a PITA to fit, and anytime I need to access anything except the fridge, I’ll have to move the car out.
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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 06:43 PM
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Yeah the length is an issue. It won't fit inside my small townhouse garage. Main selling point of the LS for me is the air suspension which rules out the RX. I am also over in the MB camp looking at GLE with air suspension. I had it in my old Jag XJ and miss the floaty/wafty smooth ride that coil springs simply cannot replicate. What other midsize SUV's and cars have air suspension?

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Old Feb 3, 2024 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WolfyLS460
Yeah the length is an issue. It won't fit inside my small townhouse garage. Main selling point of the LS for me is the air suspension which rules out the RX. I am also over in the MB camp looking at GLE with air suspension. I had it in my old Jag XJ and miss the floaty/wafty smooth ride that coil springs simply cannot replicate. What other midsize SUV's and cars have air suspension?
I can hardly see how air suspension on LS460 can be a selling point if you looking for the smooth ride. There's virtually no difference in ride quality between air and springs on LS460. I mean, you would get more difference just by using different tires. There's actual conversion kit available for those who wants to ditch air system on these cars. I think the only advantage of the air suspension on the LS is the ability to control your ride height, if you care about it.
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Originally Posted by BB9
I can hardly see how air suspension on LS460 can be a selling point if you looking for the smooth ride. There's virtually no difference in ride quality between air and springs on LS460. I mean, you would get more difference just by using different tires. There's actual conversion kit available for those who wants to ditch air system on these cars. I think the only advantage of the air suspension on the LS is the ability to control your ride height, if you care about it.
I had LS460s with and without air suspension and this isn’t true at all. The air suspension transforms the LS, adds a lot more polish and sophistication to the ride…

The RX would be much cheaper to maintain but the LS is a much better car. Are you sure about the garage? My LS460L fit into my townhouse single garage just fine, and my S560 which is longer fits into my 21x21 2 car garage with plenty of room to spare.
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Old Feb 4, 2024 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Are you sure about the garage? My LS460L fit into my townhouse single garage just fine, and my S560 which is longer fits into my 21x21 2 car garage with plenty of room to spare.
My SWB fits fine in mine, inside dimensions are 21' from inside the overhead door to the end wall.
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Originally Posted by Gerf
My SWB fits fine in mine, inside dimensions are 21' from inside the overhead door to the end wall.
SWB isn't that long, but even the LWB fits in a standard garage
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SWB is just under 17 ft, LWB is 5 inches longer right? Mine is getting full though.

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Originally Posted by Gerf
SWB is just under 17 ft, LWB is 5 inches longer right? Mine is getting full though.
SWB is 200 inches, LWB is 205 inches. As a comparison my Pacifica minivan is 204.3 inches long. A SWB LS will fit in any garage, some garages may struggle to fit a LWB one but it should fit if the garage is a standard 20-21 feet deep (240-252 inches deep).

Your picture is a great illustration, standard depth and plenty of room. My townhouse garage was not that deep, there wasn't room to walk around the front or the back with the door closed, but it fit.
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Old Feb 4, 2024 | 04:19 PM
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I'll measure again but it's pretty tight space for my RX I doubt it will fit the long wheel base LS.

I think air suspension adds 'waftability' that's lacking with coil springs. I also test drove the new ES Hybrid, sure it may be smooth and soft but it doesn't quite waft down the road like a cloud or a red velvet carpet.

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Old Feb 4, 2024 | 04:21 PM
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Please get the 460. We do not need any more crossovers roaming the streets.
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Originally Posted by WolfyLS460
I'll measure again but it's pretty tight space for my RX I doubt it will fit the long wheel base LS.

I think air suspension adds 'waftability' that's lacking with coil springs. I also test drove the new ES Hybrid, sure it may be smooth and soft but it doesn't quite waft down the road like a cloud or a red velvet carpet.
The LS even without the air suspension has a much more sophisticated suspension than an ES or RX, the coil LS will still ride much better than those, but the air suspension adds that little bit additional refinement and detachment from the road which I think is worth it.
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Old Feb 5, 2024 | 03:07 PM
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Not quite apples-to-apples, but in response to the suspension-vs-tires question: I had a 2022 LS 500 as a loaner for a week and a half last summer that had air suspension. My usual 2014 460L is on coils. Regarding the tire component of the ride, the combination of shorter sidewalls and the OEM runflats (mostly the latter I think) made the 500 quite a bit louder and bumpier over rougher road surfaces. However, larger bumps and undulations where the suspension itself was doing the bulk of the work were noticeably smoother and the ride more composed compared to what I was used to. While I have no complains with my ride quality on coils, if I ever had to replace my car I'd probably seek out air even knowing about the higher replacement cost.

Also, I have a pretty small garage but have no problem fitting the L in it; I pull forward to 1-2 bars on the front parking sensors and that gives me 1 or 2 ft of clearance on each end (I don't know the garage length off the top of my head but could measure it if you're interested). It could be a case of familiarity, but I did park a 2022 RX 450h in it once and had a much harder time than I did with the 460; I'm sure the height was part of the issue as I'm used to sedans so it felt like I was going to hit the top of the door (I didn't, of course). The actual main problem for me was likely the extra width since I have a very narrow garage door at the end of a sort of alley so you need all the steering you can get and there's not much wiggle room.
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Old Feb 6, 2024 | 07:52 AM
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Having the L is certainly the luxurious version. However, if I had to choose over, I'd spend my money on a 2016/2017 model, without air suspension, to enjoy the later tech and open pane screen. And yes, the L is roughly 5' longer and will push your garage to it's limits. Lots to consider. Good luck.
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