Question re Mark Levenson Audio performance
Off topic here but the big advantage of non nav is being able to do high end upgrades. Can also add high resolution nav screen too. My ML still has a clarity that's pretty impressive. Not being able to replace crackling dash tweeters is a downside. Is there some way to reconfigure front door speakers (add tweeters?) to fix the problem?
Hi, I am in the process of replacing the foam surrounds in the speakers. The reason the rear door speakers are more quiet is because the speakers are about 3 3/4" diameter and the front door speakers are about 5" diameter. Usually a larger speaker will produce louder sound for the same given power. I think Mark Levinson wanted to make the stereo sound like a stereo by having the front more pronounced. When listening to a "live" band, you always hear it in front, not behind. Even when sitting in the back seat, you will still most likely hear the music from the front. If the bass driver is set to the right volume, it should not sound like it's coming from the back (where it actually is). It should sound like it blends in with the music. Some people like overpowering bass, and that's fine, but Mark Levinson is more geared to audiophiles that want to hear all the music.
Definitely check if yer woofer cone is moving. That's pretty much how mine sounded when the Sub died.
Put some bassy music on (not too loud), pop the Sub cover off (middle of the parcel shelf) and gently rest your fingers on the cone.
You should feel it moving with the bass and if it's not then it's fried.
In mine the foam had detached which meant that the cone had moved too far and snapped one of the wires that connects the voice coil.
When working the ML is a good system. It's let down by poor quality on the speaker foams and the fragile amp.
Put some bassy music on (not too loud), pop the Sub cover off (middle of the parcel shelf) and gently rest your fingers on the cone.
You should feel it moving with the bass and if it's not then it's fried.
In mine the foam had detached which meant that the cone had moved too far and snapped one of the wires that connects the voice coil.
When working the ML is a good system. It's let down by poor quality on the speaker foams and the fragile amp.
Thank you all for the great ideas and suggestions; you've given me a lot to consider and investigate.
To rephrase my original question - I'm trying to determine if the current behavior is stock and as it should be, or if there is some deficiency. (I feel really lucky because this car was nearly flawless when I bought it and has a perfect Lexus-only maintenance history with no reported problems.)
My simple intuition, and experience with other cars, is that the fader should move most of the sound from front to back without a great deal of degradation. In my case, that is not what happens. The most powerful sound comes from the front and what is generated in back is significantly less.
If I bias toward either side or rear and turn up bass-heavy music, the speakers don't seem to break up as you'd expect if the components were bad.
These two comments made by helpful listers seem to contradict what is normal: "My 02 UL sounds perfectly centred and balanced when all of the balance and fade settings are dead centre (default middle positions)"
and "A properly set up audio system should be front heavy, meaning you should hear the music in front of you, not behind or around you."
I"m not an audio expert, but without knowing any better, I'd suspect the rear channels of the amp are under-performing. But maybe this is normal. I think I may have to go find other similar cars to sit in and compare before concluding there is anything wrong or not.
Again, thanks to all for your help.
Gary
To rephrase my original question - I'm trying to determine if the current behavior is stock and as it should be, or if there is some deficiency. (I feel really lucky because this car was nearly flawless when I bought it and has a perfect Lexus-only maintenance history with no reported problems.)
My simple intuition, and experience with other cars, is that the fader should move most of the sound from front to back without a great deal of degradation. In my case, that is not what happens. The most powerful sound comes from the front and what is generated in back is significantly less.
If I bias toward either side or rear and turn up bass-heavy music, the speakers don't seem to break up as you'd expect if the components were bad.
These two comments made by helpful listers seem to contradict what is normal: "My 02 UL sounds perfectly centred and balanced when all of the balance and fade settings are dead centre (default middle positions)"
and "A properly set up audio system should be front heavy, meaning you should hear the music in front of you, not behind or around you."
I"m not an audio expert, but without knowing any better, I'd suspect the rear channels of the amp are under-performing. But maybe this is normal. I think I may have to go find other similar cars to sit in and compare before concluding there is anything wrong or not.
Again, thanks to all for your help.
Gary
Hi, When I reformed all my speakers, I found that the back door speakers only had about 4 inch diameter. This is why the back door speakers are more quiet. I sometimes adjust the fader to blend in the back speakers. Hope this helps. Myles
2004 has 6.5 x4 / front and rear - rear has two tweeters also - there is a significant difference in volume between front and rear - the 6.5's were all replaced with new speakers since the ML speakers were totally destroyed by heat / new 6.5's are 8 ohm - Fronts are the same as back and are significantly louder - I think it's the amp or maby the amp is adjusting gain because sub is blown. Once I get the sub replaced I will retest -
Last edited by Holden53; Apr 12, 2025 at 11:43 AM.
Hello listers. I'm a new member here, having recently bought a new-to-me 2005 LS430 with Mark Levinson/Nav system. I have a question that I couldn't find answered in this forum.
If I leave the audio fader control in the middle position, it sounds as if most of the sound comes from the front speakers. To get it to sound balanced I have to move the fader control to the last bar before the rear-most position.
If I move the control all the way to the back, the rear speakers sound ok. If I move the control right and left, the sound moves accordingly, so I know all the speakers are actually working.
But is the strong bias toward the front speakers normal?
Also, there is a setting for four different positions driver front passengers and all four passengers that you can adjust. I prefer the person setting best front driver and front passenger to get the best sound in the driver seat. But that could just be me.
Thanks, Gary
If I leave the audio fader control in the middle position, it sounds as if most of the sound comes from the front speakers. To get it to sound balanced I have to move the fader control to the last bar before the rear-most position.
If I move the control all the way to the back, the rear speakers sound ok. If I move the control right and left, the sound moves accordingly, so I know all the speakers are actually working.
But is the strong bias toward the front speakers normal?
Also, there is a setting for four different positions driver front passengers and all four passengers that you can adjust. I prefer the person setting best front driver and front passenger to get the best sound in the driver seat. But that could just be me.
Thanks, Gary
I done exactly that recently. I used to think that it was the best sounding stereo ever, but now the base seems messed up. The subwoofer seems to be working and producing base. I have wondered if it's my own hearing changing as I age. The system sounds good but does not have the same full base that it used to have, and I find myself putting the fader toward the rear and boosting the base. It sounds decent still, but I remember it being absolutely incredible and I don't find it that way anymore. It could be aging of the speakers or something else. I don't think anything is broken per se but I do find myself biasing toward the rear and the base
Last edited by demark1; Apr 12, 2025 at 06:40 PM.
I done exactly that recently. I used to think that it was the best sounding stereo ever, but now the base seems messed up. The subwoofer seems to be working and producing base. I have wondered if it's my own hearing changing as I age. The system sounds good but does not have the same full base that it used to have, and I find myself putting the fader toward the rear and boosting the base. It sounds decent still, but I remember it being absolutely incredible and I don't find it that way anymore. It could be aging of the speakers or something else. I don't think anything is broken per se but I do find myself biasing toward the rear and the base
I just ordered a replacement DV 8ohm I will wire to 16ohm subwoofer for the back and I also ordered 2 sets of 8ohm tweeters 1 inch to experiment and see if I can change this behavior.
I will recheck polarity again also.
Last edited by Holden53; Apr 12, 2025 at 04:45 PM.
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