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Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,512
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From: MI
100% agreed! Ever since getting the 430 I have yet to ride in anyone else's car that I felt was remotely close to the 430, let alone better. Even my E60 5 series which is 4 yrs newer doesn't quite compare to the refinement offered by the LS
Instructor
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 849
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From: Arkansas
I left my 10 year-old LS430 at my Lexus dealer for service and they gave me a new ES350 to drive.
Needless to say, the ES350 drove like a P.O.S. compared to my LS.
I haven't driven a new FWD car that can compare to my old car. I do confess that I have not driven an Audi in recent years.
Needless to say, the ES350 drove like a P.O.S. compared to my LS.
I haven't driven a new FWD car that can compare to my old car. I do confess that I have not driven an Audi in recent years.
Pole Position
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,875
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From: wi
Everything is heavy and over done/overengineered so they stay tight for a long time. My buddy was driving 1 1/2 to work and I was 1/2 way on same route, so we would car pool but take his G6 with 180k on it to car pool. I just kept making up excuses not to drive with him, he finally got a new job and I got a sigh of relief.
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Rookie
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 54
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From: NJ
The 460 is a very different ride and drew a lot of heat from 430 owners upon upgrading, personally I liked the 460 better than the 430 but that was due to coming from a gs400. Slowly my 430 has been winning me over.
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Instructor
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 849
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From: Arkansas
My favorite thing about the 430 over the 460 is the greater glass area, no gunslit windows. The classic lines of the 430 will always look good. The current 460 styling may become stale when it is replaced.
The LS430 is unique from other Lexus models. I often see a Current model ES350 and have to look at the tailpipes to see if it is an ES350 or an LS460.
The LS430 is unique from other Lexus models. I often see a Current model ES350 and have to look at the tailpipes to see if it is an ES350 or an LS460.
Last edited by sajack; Oct 26, 2012 at 12:33 AM.
Lead Lap
Joined: May 2006
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The 01-06 LS430 is an example of a car that was over engineered. The truth of the matter is that it will probably be fairly difficult to find another car presently or in the future (even Lexus) that will meet the high standards of reliability built into our cars.
Rookie
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 40
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From: Ohio
Totally agree. I tell everyone, there is a real problem with driving a Lexus LS430.
After you do, everything else is:
A piece of Stuff,
and...
A pile of Mess!
After you do, everything else is:
A piece of Stuff,
and...
A pile of Mess!
Last edited by Kweigel; Oct 26, 2012 at 08:02 PM.
CL Community Team
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,915
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From: Alabama
I wasn't too impressed by the early LS460s. But I recently drove a 2011 LS460 with Sport option. The Sport option comes with a matte wood interior, air suspension, brembo brakes, sport seats, and some outside cosmetic changes that give the LS a look I really like. Right now the 2011 s are still too high $ cost for me, but if I can find a 2011 LS460 sport model this time next year priced in the mid 30s I might spring for it. I seriously don;t need that much more car, I don;t need the extra horsepower, but that model/option LS just seems to ring my bell - and when a car does that, that's all I need to know.
Lead Lap
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,189
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From: NY/NJ
My LS is not perfect, its developed some electrical issues that don't affect too much in terms of safety or real function (ie button lights out, sunshade shifts sometimes). Quality is still very good.
Intermediate
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 289
Likes: 9
From: Georgia
The Lexus division demands an industry leading low MTBF. Mean Time Before Failure
Here is a small perfect example. Let's say GM specifies a MTBF rate for a water pump as 10 per 1000. Lexus will demand a 2 to 3 rate. Window switches, headlight switches, bearings, all pertaining parts in the vehicle. When Toyota 1st started the Lexus division I was with Toyota. This is one of the big things that they stressed in the meetings, etc. Over engineering is another big one as well.
Here is a small perfect example. Let's say GM specifies a MTBF rate for a water pump as 10 per 1000. Lexus will demand a 2 to 3 rate. Window switches, headlight switches, bearings, all pertaining parts in the vehicle. When Toyota 1st started the Lexus division I was with Toyota. This is one of the big things that they stressed in the meetings, etc. Over engineering is another big one as well.
Driver
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
From: The Sunshine State (Florida)
Hmmm
I left my 10 year-old LS430 at my Lexus dealer for service and they gave me a new ES350 to drive.
Why not have just one LS available for lending? It's doubtful there is much chance of two LS owners getting service simultaneously anyway, right?