Differences between the LS430 grades (base,ML,CL,etc)
Instructor
Joined: Feb 2002
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From: New Jersey
It's pretty useless. I've had it over a year now, used it two or three times and each time, didn't really notice any difference. Sort of used it only because did not press the button in a while. 
I mean really, what on the LS is really a MUST HAVE?
1. Power seats - you can do the same manually.
2. Heated seats - wear thicker pants
3. Cooled seats - wear shorts
4. AC - open the window
5. Cruise - control your feet young Daniel-san...
6. Door closers - oh my goodness, you're that weak?
7. Rear sunshade - turn the mirror down
ha ha... they're all lazy "men's" toys. That's all...
I mean really, what on the LS is really a MUST HAVE?
1. Power seats - you can do the same manually.
2. Heated seats - wear thicker pants
3. Cooled seats - wear shorts
4. AC - open the window
5. Cruise - control your feet young Daniel-san...
6. Door closers - oh my goodness, you're that weak?
7. Rear sunshade - turn the mirror down
ha ha... they're all lazy "men's" toys. That's all...
Lexus Champion
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From: AZ
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Racer
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: Northern VA
After driving my sports car recently, I find the self-dimming mirrors are pretty essential, or I get blinded by some pickup truck's headlights (and there are lots around here). Also, if you have a dog/cat, pet hair doesn't stick to real leather (but will stick like a magnet to fake leather). So that makes two "luxury items" essential.
Power headrests are also really nice if you share cars w/ someone...beats craning your arms backwards trying to locate the little spring loaded button at the traffic light.
Power headrests are also really nice if you share cars w/ someone...beats craning your arms backwards trying to locate the little spring loaded button at the traffic light.
Everything is nice to have, nothing is essential.
With the logic some people have in this thread, they don't even need a car, they can just walk, they don't even need shoes.
I enjoy every single features on my UL, do I "need" them....no, do I love them....oh god YES.
That is the point of a luxury car, is to be pamper. For anyone who just want to get from point A to B, a 10 years old Yaris is all they need. Why are they even looking at Lexus?
With the logic some people have in this thread, they don't even need a car, they can just walk, they don't even need shoes.
I enjoy every single features on my UL, do I "need" them....no, do I love them....oh god YES.
That is the point of a luxury car, is to be pamper. For anyone who just want to get from point A to B, a 10 years old Yaris is all they need. Why are they even looking at Lexus?
Lead Lap
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: NY/NJ
Need...
Everything is nice to have, nothing is essential.
With the logic some people have in this thread, they don't even need a car, they can just walk, they don't even need shoes.
I enjoy every single features on my UL, do I "need" them....no, do I love them....oh god YES.
That is the point of a luxury car, is to be pamper. For anyone who just want to get from point A to B, a 10 years old Yaris is all they need. Why are they even looking at Lexus?
With the logic some people have in this thread, they don't even need a car, they can just walk, they don't even need shoes.
I enjoy every single features on my UL, do I "need" them....no, do I love them....oh god YES.
That is the point of a luxury car, is to be pamper. For anyone who just want to get from point A to B, a 10 years old Yaris is all they need. Why are they even looking at Lexus?
ha ha.Like you said, buying a luxo car is about pampering and induldging... not bare necessity.
All the things I listed as having options for doing it, I wouldn't do any of it at this point...
ha ha.
Driver School Candidate
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 15
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From: ca
Hello all, I have a quick question. I am trying to purchase an 02/03 ls430 CL. Are the headlamp washers still the most obvious way to tell if the 01-03 models are a CL like they are on the 04-06 models? Thanks!
CL Community Team
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From: Alabama
Ha - I detect a subtle theme in this thread. I think you UL guys are deeply ashamed of your girlie man auto door closers.. So it was like "O ya, Vee had to get ze UL , zha only udda choice was a 10 year old Yugo vit no doors or steering veel!"
(please read the above using your best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice : )
(please read the above using your best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice : )
Last edited by Jabberwock; Jul 18, 2010 at 06:28 AM.
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Ha - I detect a subtle theme in this thread. I think you UL guys are deeply ashamed of your girlie man auto door closers.. So it was like "O ya, Vee had to get ze UL , zha only udda choice was a 10 year old Yugo vit no doors or steering veel!"
(please read the above using your best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice : )
(please read the above using your best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice : )
Pole Position
Joined: Dec 2008
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From: Georgia
Ashamed? The soft door closers is my favorite feature on the car! That really differentiate it from lesser luxury cars, as you can only get that feature from ultra high level luxury cars........Bentleys, Rolls Royces, fully loaded S-class, fully loaded 7-series......etc. It is the only Lexus that have that feature.
Furthermore, as a LS430UL owner who is seriously looking at buying a 2007 MB SL550, all those Ultra Luxury options that I am going to give up are making me rethink my decision. Just may stay in my UL Baby and keep enjoying the most comfortable seats I have ever experienced in an automobile along with the other UL "goodies".
Driver
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 143
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From: NJ
I enjoy everything the Ultra has. Where I come from it is called oppressing your acquaintances. He who has the most toys or features rules.
I love my cooled seats on days I wear a suit (6 days a week). I like the dimming mirrors when I go to pick my sons up from college. (usually at night after work). I like the door closers for when I close the doors in the rain and if I don't push it hard enough. Same goes for the trunk. I don't get as wet.
I love my cooled seats on days I wear a suit (6 days a week). I like the dimming mirrors when I go to pick my sons up from college. (usually at night after work). I like the door closers for when I close the doors in the rain and if I don't push it hard enough. Same goes for the trunk. I don't get as wet.
I wholeheartily Agree.
Furthermore, as a LS430UL owner who is seriously looking at buying a 2007 MB SL550, all those Ultra Luxury options that I am going to give up are making me rethink my decision. Just may stay in my UL Baby and keep enjoying the most comfortable seats I have ever experienced in an automobile along with the other UL "goodies".
Furthermore, as a LS430UL owner who is seriously looking at buying a 2007 MB SL550, all those Ultra Luxury options that I am going to give up are making me rethink my decision. Just may stay in my UL Baby and keep enjoying the most comfortable seats I have ever experienced in an automobile along with the other UL "goodies".
This is why I only drive my SC430 on the weekend, in my daily commute daily grind, I have to have my UL, after a long hard day at work, all those amenities are so nice to have!!
That was one of the disappointment I had with the 2002 Bentley Arnage, because it was an older model, it doesn't have soft door closer, what a let down on a $300k car!