Coilover Spring Rates..
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Coilover Spring Rates..
Im looking for information about some coilovers. Mainly Concering spring rates.
I've been doing some research to decide which coilover will be best for me and my 96' Ls400.
Im looking for a coilover with a spring rate that will help me gain a Sporty
feel without loosing comfort. Im hoping to retain a somewhat smooth ride. I understand that anything i buy wont be as smooth as factory.. Thats fine.
Now, i found some coilovers that have different spring rates at random places online..
Id like to know how these different spring rates i have found will change the feel of the vehicle:
-Megan Street LP (12k Front / 10k Rear)
-Megan Street LP (10k Front / 8k Rear)
-Megan Luxury Series (16k Front 12k Rear)
-Ksport Coilover (18k Front / 7k Rear)
-Ksport Coilover (18k Front / 9k Rear)
-JIC FLT-TAR (12k Front / 9k Rear)
-JIC FLT-TAR VIP (14k Front / 7k Rear)
Im sure there are custom springs available at different rates.
What i would like a better understand of is... How will the changes in these spring rates change the ride of the vehicle.
Thanks guys.
I've been doing some research to decide which coilover will be best for me and my 96' Ls400.
Im looking for a coilover with a spring rate that will help me gain a Sporty
feel without loosing comfort. Im hoping to retain a somewhat smooth ride. I understand that anything i buy wont be as smooth as factory.. Thats fine.
Now, i found some coilovers that have different spring rates at random places online..
Id like to know how these different spring rates i have found will change the feel of the vehicle:
-Megan Street LP (12k Front / 10k Rear)
-Megan Street LP (10k Front / 8k Rear)
-Megan Luxury Series (16k Front 12k Rear)
-Ksport Coilover (18k Front / 7k Rear)
-Ksport Coilover (18k Front / 9k Rear)
-JIC FLT-TAR (12k Front / 9k Rear)
-JIC FLT-TAR VIP (14k Front / 7k Rear)
Im sure there are custom springs available at different rates.
What i would like a better understand of is... How will the changes in these spring rates change the ride of the vehicle.
Thanks guys.
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I understand that logic but, as an example.. which is stiffer:
12k / 9k
or
14k / 7k
..Im just curious as to how changing the combination of rates will affect the ride.
12k / 9k
or
14k / 7k
..Im just curious as to how changing the combination of rates will affect the ride.
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i believe you can dial understeer and overster by getting different spring for the front and the rear.
and if i'm not wrong, you will get more of a balance setup for the 12k/9k than the second setup.
and if i'm not wrong, you will get more of a balance setup for the 12k/9k than the second setup.
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Seems logical the 12k/9k will balance out better also. The JIC though I do not know as much about versus the Megans. Many members have Megans and like them because of lowering and price. Ryan has them and drives his cross country and likes the comfort.
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JIC is MUCH better quality than Megan.
JIC is involved in many motorsports from Road Racing, Time Attack, and Drifting. JIC has a lot more R&D and engingeering in their products than Megan.
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JIC is involved in many motorsports from Road Racing, Time Attack, and Drifting. JIC has a lot more R&D and engingeering in their products than Megan.
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Lowspeed and highspeed damping characteristics greatly affect ride quality and comfort (as well as performance) moreso than just spring rates. JIC products are higher quality and also have better damping characteristics than Megan. By controlling the spring better without 'shocking'/upsetting the car, you can get away with (more comfort/better ride quality) higher rates on a better-valved damper than poor valving on a lower spring rate.
FLT-AR (FLT-A2) 12k / 9k -their performance damper would probably get my vote in terms of ride quality than the FLT-AR VIP 14k / 7k. The VIP was designed for a "Slammed" operating range, if you aren't going to lower your car that much, go with the FLT-AR.
I think the VIP series is 2K higher in the front to compensate for geometry problems and a loss of roll resistance due to compromised roll centers for the "Slammed" look.
Do they even have a FLT-AR application for the 91-94 LS400? On JIC's website I just saw the FLT-AR VIP and FLT-FAS VIP - a twin tube (vs. the AR's monotube).
Better elaboration PureDrifter?
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Higher quality and better damping characteristics.
Lowspeed and highspeed damping characteristics greatly affect ride quality and comfort (as well as performance) moreso than just spring rates. JIC products are higher quality and also have better damping characteristics than Megan. By controlling the spring better without 'shocking'/upsetting the car, you can get away with (more comfort/better ride quality) higher rates on a better-valved damper than poor valving on a lower spring rate.
FLT-AR (FLT-A2) 12k / 9k -their performance damper would probably get my vote in terms of ride quality than the FLT-AR VIP 14k / 7k. The VIP was designed for a "Slammed" operating range, if you aren't going to lower your car that much, go with the FLT-AR.
I think the VIP series is 2K higher in the front to compensate for geometry problems and a loss of roll resistance due to compromised roll centers for the "Slammed" look.
Do they even have a FLT-AR application for the 91-94 LS400? On JIC's website I just saw the FLT-AR VIP and FLT-FAS VIP - a twin tube (vs. the AR's monotube).
Better elaboration PureDrifter?
Lowspeed and highspeed damping characteristics greatly affect ride quality and comfort (as well as performance) moreso than just spring rates. JIC products are higher quality and also have better damping characteristics than Megan. By controlling the spring better without 'shocking'/upsetting the car, you can get away with (more comfort/better ride quality) higher rates on a better-valved damper than poor valving on a lower spring rate.
FLT-AR (FLT-A2) 12k / 9k -their performance damper would probably get my vote in terms of ride quality than the FLT-AR VIP 14k / 7k. The VIP was designed for a "Slammed" operating range, if you aren't going to lower your car that much, go with the FLT-AR.
I think the VIP series is 2K higher in the front to compensate for geometry problems and a loss of roll resistance due to compromised roll centers for the "Slammed" look.
Do they even have a FLT-AR application for the 91-94 LS400? On JIC's website I just saw the FLT-AR VIP and FLT-FAS VIP - a twin tube (vs. the AR's monotube).
Better elaboration PureDrifter?
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Personally i would get tein CS's ,they drive very smooth and work well for most on ramp racers.
I think JIC makes a crap product and will pissss on them any chance i get for not wanting to support their own product when it breaks and i am willing to pay to fix them.
I think JIC makes a crap product and will pissss on them any chance i get for not wanting to support their own product when it breaks and i am willing to pay to fix them.
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I've had no problems with JIC products. Including the FLT-A2 that are on my LS400. If you ask JIC they can supply a different spring. I have 14/10 or 16/12 on these, I cannot recall at the moment.
Spring rates don't tell the entire story. Dampening is more crucial in my opinion. The JIC are dampened well for the higher spring rates.
That sucks, man! Why wouldn't JIC over haul the component?
Spring rates don't tell the entire story. Dampening is more crucial in my opinion. The JIC are dampened well for the higher spring rates.
That sucks, man! Why wouldn't JIC over haul the component?
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I've had no problems with JIC products. Including the FLT-A2 that are on my LS400. If you ask JIC they can supply a different spring. I have 14/10 or 16/12 on these, I cannot recall at the moment.
Spring rates don't tell the entire story. Dampening is more crucial in my opinion. The JIC damping works well for the higher spring rates.
Spring rates don't tell the entire story. Dampening is more crucial in my opinion. The JIC damping works well for the higher spring rates.
Fixed it for you
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hahhahahaha, i have JIC magic, and you donnnnn't. but no seriously, the $2500 JIC that i got rides so smooth, but in the same time, it makes my LS handle much better than stock air bag.
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