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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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does it help to have ss brake lines on a is-f? and if so who makes some?
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Help in what regard? SS brake lines have advantages and disadvantages. What are you trying to achieve?
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well i would like to have all the small upgrades i can do done. so if i can i would like to. who makes some? disadvantages?
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Disadvantages? They're wire braid covered. When the wires break from flexing in service, the Teflon lining is unsupported and will fail under braking. Aircraft lines are inspected for wire breaks routinely (yes, I worked on aircraft for the Air Force) and when the number of breaks exceeds service limits, the lines are replaced. I don't know many people who do this kind of inspection on their street cars - they are routine for race cars. So, unlike the OEM lines - install and forget for 10 years - braided lines require at least annual inspections.

They're also not superior to Kevlar braided brake lines which have become common for the OEMs in performance applications. Kevlar is lighter per unit strength, so rubber covered Kevlar braided lines have all the feel of stainless braided with none of the breakage issues. This is why it is rare to actually improve brake feel with braided stainless lines these days.

And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch - I put braided lines on my Honda 750 in 1980 - built them myself with Aeroquip components - and I've put them on LOTS of other vehicles since then including the Supra I still own (after the OEM lines were 10 years old). So I'm not talking theory, just fact from experience. Given a choice, I'd take OEM Kevlar lines over any braided line for a street vehicle.
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^^I didn't know that about SS lines lobuxracer. Thanks for the info!
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Disadvantages? They're wire braid covered. When the wires break from flexing in service, the Teflon lining is unsupported and will fail under braking. Aircraft lines are inspected for wire breaks routinely (yes, I worked on aircraft for the Air Force) and when the number of breaks exceeds service limits, the lines are replaced. I don't know many people who do this kind of inspection on their street cars - they are routine for race cars. So, unlike the OEM lines - install and forget for 10 years - braided lines require at least annual inspections.

They're also not superior to Kevlar braided brake lines which have become common for the OEMs in performance applications. Kevlar is lighter per unit strength, so rubber covered Kevlar braided lines have all the feel of stainless braided with none of the breakage issues. This is why it is rare to actually improve brake feel with braided stainless lines these days.

And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch - I put braided lines on my Honda 750 in 1980 - built them myself with Aeroquip components - and I've put them on LOTS of other vehicles since then including the Supra I still own (after the OEM lines were 10 years old). So I'm not talking theory, just fact from experience. Given a choice, I'd take OEM Kevlar lines over any braided line for a street vehicle.

thanks for the personal touch!
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