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I wonder what the two silvers look like: Glacier and Silver Lining. Maybe Glacier has something in it like the former Glacier Frost Mica.
Getting rid of the pearl white for the F-Sport and giving it a true white makes (sport) sense.
Getting rid of the pearl white for the F-Sport and giving it a true white makes (sport) sense.
That's great, but at the current time they actually aren't dead and are quite available in many vehicles. Your post after this one compared a manual transmission to a CD changer and I can't in the slightest understand how a driver control interface has any analagous comparison whatsoever to an entertainment delivery system such as a compact disc.
The supercar industry is using dual clutch manuals and the like because of the reduction in shift times and because interestingly enough, not everyone with a lot of money knows how to drive a three-pedal manual transmission. Considering that supecars today have a lot of competition on the racetrack and that the companies who make them need to sell to as many well heeled buyers as possible, I see nothing wrong with this.
But in sports vehicles that aren't actually race cars one doesn't need to shift in milliseconds, especially in a daily driven car. There, it doesn't matter what the transmission is unless, of course, you have a specific preference for or bias against one or another design.
Manuals have become niche and unsuitable for modern track cars but many people still prefer them in certain types of vehicles. I consider a new car purchase at any price a significant investment and honestly I prefer a manual be it in a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, etc. Don't offer it and I won't consider it. Some company will sell me what I'm looking for regardless of what manufacturers are touting as market trends, which, generally aren't predicted all that well. Scion figured high school teens (who have no money I might add) would buy the xB, however, middle agers were often the average buyer for that model. If Toyota is that far off with their entry models I doubt they truly understand the comprehensive demographic of people who would buy BMW's.
Manuals will be around for a while yet in certain types of cars.
As for Lexus manuals not being very good... I can't agree regarding the the JZ powered SC. Mega horsepower aside, the W58 transmissions are pretty good. Behind a *stock* IS300 engine I don't think the W55 was snubbed either. I have heard poor things about the 6-speed in the IS250 but some people still wanted it.
The supercar industry is using dual clutch manuals and the like because of the reduction in shift times and because interestingly enough, not everyone with a lot of money knows how to drive a three-pedal manual transmission. Considering that supecars today have a lot of competition on the racetrack and that the companies who make them need to sell to as many well heeled buyers as possible, I see nothing wrong with this.
But in sports vehicles that aren't actually race cars one doesn't need to shift in milliseconds, especially in a daily driven car. There, it doesn't matter what the transmission is unless, of course, you have a specific preference for or bias against one or another design.
Manuals have become niche and unsuitable for modern track cars but many people still prefer them in certain types of vehicles. I consider a new car purchase at any price a significant investment and honestly I prefer a manual be it in a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, etc. Don't offer it and I won't consider it. Some company will sell me what I'm looking for regardless of what manufacturers are touting as market trends, which, generally aren't predicted all that well. Scion figured high school teens (who have no money I might add) would buy the xB, however, middle agers were often the average buyer for that model. If Toyota is that far off with their entry models I doubt they truly understand the comprehensive demographic of people who would buy BMW's.
Manuals will be around for a while yet in certain types of cars.
As for Lexus manuals not being very good... I can't agree regarding the the JZ powered SC. Mega horsepower aside, the W58 transmissions are pretty good. Behind a *stock* IS300 engine I don't think the W55 was snubbed either. I have heard poor things about the 6-speed in the IS250 but some people still wanted it.
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That's great, but at the current time they actually aren't dead and are quite available in many vehicles. Your post after this one compared a manual transmission to a CD changer and I can't in the slightest understand how a driver control interface has any analagous comparison whatsoever to an entertainment delivery system such as a compact disc.
The supercar industry is using dual clutch manuals and the like because of the reduction in shift times and because interestingly enough, not everyone with a lot of money knows how to drive a three-pedal manual transmission. Considering that supecars today have a lot of competition on the racetrack and that the companies who make them need to sell to as many well heeled buyers as possible, I see nothing wrong with this.
But in sports vehicles that aren't actually race cars one doesn't need to shift in milliseconds, especially in a daily driven car. There, it doesn't matter what the transmission is unless, of course, you have a specific preference for or bias against one or another design.
Manuals have become niche and unsuitable for modern track cars but many people still prefer them in certain types of vehicles. I consider a new car purchase at any price a significant investment and honestly I prefer a manual be it in a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, etc. Don't offer it and I won't consider it. Some company will sell me what I'm looking for regardless of what manufacturers are touting as market trends, which, generally aren't predicted all that well. Scion figured high school teens (who have no money I might add) would buy the xB, however, middle agers were often the average buyer for that model. If Toyota is that far off with their entry models I doubt they truly understand the comprehensive demographic of people who would buy BMW's.
Manuals will be around for a while yet in certain types of cars.
As for Lexus manuals not being very good... I can't agree regarding the the JZ powered SC. Mega horsepower aside, the W58 transmissions are pretty good. Behind a *stock* IS300 engine I don't think the W55 was snubbed either. I have heard poor things about the 6-speed in the IS250 but some people still wanted it.
The supercar industry is using dual clutch manuals and the like because of the reduction in shift times and because interestingly enough, not everyone with a lot of money knows how to drive a three-pedal manual transmission. Considering that supecars today have a lot of competition on the racetrack and that the companies who make them need to sell to as many well heeled buyers as possible, I see nothing wrong with this.
But in sports vehicles that aren't actually race cars one doesn't need to shift in milliseconds, especially in a daily driven car. There, it doesn't matter what the transmission is unless, of course, you have a specific preference for or bias against one or another design.
Manuals have become niche and unsuitable for modern track cars but many people still prefer them in certain types of vehicles. I consider a new car purchase at any price a significant investment and honestly I prefer a manual be it in a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, etc. Don't offer it and I won't consider it. Some company will sell me what I'm looking for regardless of what manufacturers are touting as market trends, which, generally aren't predicted all that well. Scion figured high school teens (who have no money I might add) would buy the xB, however, middle agers were often the average buyer for that model. If Toyota is that far off with their entry models I doubt they truly understand the comprehensive demographic of people who would buy BMW's.
Manuals will be around for a while yet in certain types of cars.
As for Lexus manuals not being very good... I can't agree regarding the the JZ powered SC. Mega horsepower aside, the W58 transmissions are pretty good. Behind a *stock* IS300 engine I don't think the W55 was snubbed either. I have heard poor things about the 6-speed in the IS250 but some people still wanted it.
As of right now I have not seen that color on my 3IS info manifest
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Hoovey I have searched this entire thread to no avail but can you speak on whether or not the 3IS has anymore rear leg space and / or more space in general than the 2Is. Thank you!
I knew I shouldn't have held out to much hope for a Manual transmission but still excited for this car!
I knew I shouldn't have held out to much hope for a Manual transmission but still excited for this car!
Hoovey I have searched this entire thread to no avail but can you speak on whether or not the 3IS has anymore rear leg space and / or more space in general than the 2Is. Thank you!
I knew I shouldn't have held out to much hope for a Manual transmission but still excited for this car!
I knew I shouldn't have held out to much hope for a Manual transmission but still excited for this car!
I'd give them a bit more than ten years' time. A couple of weeks ago a niche electric supercar was announced and was driven by either a three-speed or four-speed manual transmission.
Regardless of how nonsensical it is when competing against BMW, you're probably dead on and the new IS official transmission list will probably tell us whether it's going to be now or later that they are completely out for them. Lexus does have an apparent disregard for manuals.
We did have manual transmissions on the C-Class, but nobody really bought them. And I think with the advent of automated dual-clutch transmissions…I hate to say it… but the manual… there’s probably some better thinking that’s involved in what you can do.
