Low dust pads
#1
Low dust pads
Does anyone know if Lexus fully converted to the low dust pads or are there two different part numbers for front brake pads? I supposedly had the OEM low dust pads installed with aftermarket rotors by my mechanic and the brake dust is horrendous. Im trying to figure out who screwed up here. Thanks
#2
What year is your car? 2006-2008 USA models all had the high-friction (high-dust) pads. 2009-2013 Lexus switched to the low-dust pads for USA models (Canada continued using the high-friction pads).
Do you have the part number for the pads that were installed? That's the best way to know which you have/got. Both types of pads are still available and still used on new cars from the factory.
Jeff
Do you have the part number for the pads that were installed? That's the best way to know which you have/got. Both types of pads are still available and still used on new cars from the factory.
Jeff
#3
What year is your car? 2006-2008 USA models all had the high-friction (high-dust) pads. 2009-2013 Lexus switched to the low-dust pads for USA models (Canada continued using the high-friction pads).
Do you have the part number for the pads that were installed? That's the best way to know which you have/got. Both types of pads are still available and still used on new cars from the factory.
Jeff
Do you have the part number for the pads that were installed? That's the best way to know which you have/got. Both types of pads are still available and still used on new cars from the factory.
Jeff
#4
Some people want the high friction pads. I ordered them from Lexus and they sent me the low dust pads instead. I returned them and had them send me the high friction pads.
There is more to the issue than just the amount of dust. I prefer the brake feel of the high friction pads, I've also found them to have a higher tolerance to brake fade as well.
Jeff
There is more to the issue than just the amount of dust. I prefer the brake feel of the high friction pads, I've also found them to have a higher tolerance to brake fade as well.
Jeff
#5
Some people want the high friction pads. I ordered them from Lexus and they sent me the low dust pads instead. I returned them and had them send me the high friction pads.
There is more to the issue than just the amount of dust. I prefer the brake feel of the high friction pads, I've also found them to have a higher tolerance to brake fade as well.
Jeff
There is more to the issue than just the amount of dust. I prefer the brake feel of the high friction pads, I've also found them to have a higher tolerance to brake fade as well.
Jeff
#6
Some people want the high friction pads. I ordered them from Lexus and they sent me the low dust pads instead. I returned them and had them send me the high friction pads.
There is more to the issue than just the amount of dust. I prefer the brake feel of the high friction pads, I've also found them to have a higher tolerance to brake fade as well.
Jeff
There is more to the issue than just the amount of dust. I prefer the brake feel of the high friction pads, I've also found them to have a higher tolerance to brake fade as well.
Jeff
#7
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If you asked a Lexus dealer to install the low dust pads, and they installed the high friction ones by mistake, I would agree that they should make it right at no cost to you. But it sounds from you description that your independent mechanic made the mistake by ordering the wrong pads. How was this Lexus' fault? Why wouldn't you insist that your mechanic obtain and install the pads you requested?
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#8
If you asked a Lexus dealer to install the low dust pads, and they installed the high friction ones by mistake, I would agree that they should make it right at no cost to you. But it sounds from you description that your independent mechanic made the mistake by ordering the wrong pads. How was this Lexus' fault? Why wouldn't you insist that your mechanic obtain and install the pads you requested?
#9
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Some Lexus vehicles are equipped with high-friction front brake pads, specifically designed for superior braking performance and response. As a result, under certain conditions, it is possible for the customer to experience a larger volume of brake dust on the wheels. For customers who find these characteristics objectionable, an alternative brake pad material has been developed. As with any change made to brake pad material, braking performance and feeling may be altered and could possibly be reduced under certain driving conditions as a result of their usage. These alternative front brake pads have now been made available as service parts.
#11
You are misrepresenting the contents of the TSIB. There wasn't a manufacturing defect, nor did the low-dust pads replace the high friction ones. Here is the description, right from TSIB BR002-06 :
Sounds like the guy in the parts department who gave you the wrong number is at fault.
Sounds like the guy in the parts department who gave you the wrong number is at fault.
#12
Sounds like you are the person they were talking about then, it also sounds like you did your best to try and make sure you got the low dust pads but didn't. It was either the mechanic's fault (if he didn't ask for the right pads) or the dealership employees fault (if he didn't give the mechanic what he asked for). If you are looking for some assistance they will be who you need to talk to.
With regards to the pad material itself, it's Textar's T4146 and it is used in many European cars (mainly by BMW), but there are a few Lexus models that use it (the LS460, GS350 and ISx50). They stopped coming with it by default in the ISx50 for USA models only after 2008, however other counties continued to use the Textar pads. When the 3IS came out, they switched to using the T4146 only in the F-Sport models and the rest get the lower dust "regular" Lexus pads. Lexus never replaced the high friction pads with the low dust version, they just offered them as an alternate option for people like you who don't care for the dust.
Any higher performance brake pad will almost always have a higher dust level. It's just the way it goes.
Like I say, your best bet would be to speak to the people involved, they're the ones who will be able to help you.
Jeff
With regards to the pad material itself, it's Textar's T4146 and it is used in many European cars (mainly by BMW), but there are a few Lexus models that use it (the LS460, GS350 and ISx50). They stopped coming with it by default in the ISx50 for USA models only after 2008, however other counties continued to use the Textar pads. When the 3IS came out, they switched to using the T4146 only in the F-Sport models and the rest get the lower dust "regular" Lexus pads. Lexus never replaced the high friction pads with the low dust version, they just offered them as an alternate option for people like you who don't care for the dust.
Any higher performance brake pad will almost always have a higher dust level. It's just the way it goes.
Like I say, your best bet would be to speak to the people involved, they're the ones who will be able to help you.
Jeff
#13
My local Lexus service dept. replaced my high friction pads with low dust pads at no charge when my car was new and I presented the TSB. It really bugged me how skanky the wheels were looking right after cleaning, and I worried that I'd have to wash my car every few days! I had to use the manual hose to spray them before going through the touchless car wash. The low friction pads made all the difference. I don't brake hard while driving so their performance is fine for me. In parking lots it's easy to tell which cars have high friction pads.
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