Notices
IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013) Discussion about the 2006+ model IS models

New here...clutch problems?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 15, 2012 | 02:26 PM
  #16  
Sffd103's Avatar
Sffd103
Fire Slayer
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,548
Likes: 10
From: NorCal
Default

I've ne'er noticed the jerking but I did notice the release on this car compared to my Civic is night and day. I did install the F Sport short shifter and that helped with the throw of the shifter but still don't like the release of the clutch.
There is the F Sport clutch and the Fidanza flywheel if you're ever interested.
Reply
Old Jul 1, 2015 | 10:27 AM
  #17  
GJman's Avatar
GJman
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
From: Delaware
Default

Digging up an old post in the hopes of focusing on the IS 250 MT problem. I'm a design engineer with enough savvy to be dangerous but not enough to know the answer to our IS 250 MT trans problem.
1.) The problem affects cars in the U.S., UK and Australia.
2.) Dual Mass flywheel contributes to the problem but this type of clutch is used on many high end vehicles and diesels with success. The difference may be (but I have no proof of) is that the springs used are not tuned properly.
3.) Converting to a solid flywheel requires consideration to also convert to a traditional clutch plate that has the springs for shock absorption. Simply going to a solid flywheel will inevitably make engagement rougher and decrease the lifespan of the transmission's other components.
4.) Vehicle's traction control and fuel mapping (torque capacity) contribute to the occurrences of the infamous "Judder" or "shudder". Cold engine, cold engine fuel map, cold engine torque output ALL contribute to a situation where when cold, the problem is worse.
5.) Lexus dealers who claim it is normal, are not being mechanically honest. Yes it seems to be normal to IS 250 Manuals but not normal for most other manual cars. This is code for: They don't have a fix and are unwilling to replace your trans. under warranty because the new one will probably start to do the same thing.
6.) UK and Australian forums have claimed slipping the clutch heavily for a period of time helps "reface" the clutch and flywheel enough to remove glazing and other irregularities that contribute to the judder. Try at your own risk. It may in fact work but hardly the best fix for an expensive car's technology laden equipment.
7.) Bleed your brake / clutch fluid regularly!! System seems (not sure how but it does) to develop air in the lines due to a damper in the clutch actuation system. Damper is designed to "soften" and smooth engagement but can be replaced or eliminated. Air in the lines DOES contribute to the judder.
8.) Change your transmission and rear differential fluid to appropriate synthetic fluid. It helps to reduce judder due to its improved lubricity in cold transmissions and diff's. "Appropriate" means specifically having the right additives for the IS 250 transmission. NOT ALL DO and can cause other problems.

The final word from me is that the IS 250 is a very nice car that is probably a little too smart (fuel mapping, traction control, stability control, and dual mass flywheel) for its own good. They are fighting one another and the result is a condition that could have been avoided using more traditional means (i.e.: solid flywheel & traditional clutch disc).

If anyone has more recent resolutions, PLEASE offer them up, I'm all ears.
Reply
Old Jul 1, 2015 | 12:16 PM
  #18  
Gville350's Avatar
Gville350
Moderator
10 Year Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 11,576
Likes: 444
From: South Carolina
Default

Never driven the Lexus 2IS manual with dual mass clutch setup; however, I'd not see a big jump up in shifting discomfort if having swapped to a "traditional" clutch setup. Would eliminate those items as the issue. As long as the clutch disk is sprung, transmission components shouldn't see any diminished life expectancy...same with thrust bearings. Have you tried just flushing out the old trans fluid for new OEM? How many qts do one of these cases take...just curious.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
motojoe
IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013)
44
Jan 19, 2016 11:09 AM
bboysunone
IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013)
5
Jul 23, 2012 11:55 AM
tieu
IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013)
13
May 3, 2009 04:55 AM
tieu
IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013)
3
Apr 21, 2009 07:26 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:36 PM.