Can you Add (navigation)
I personally like to have the nav in my IS 350. I think it makes the interior look way cleaner / nicer.
Regarding the IS without the nav, I have seen some nice setups where people add in an aftermarket nav and it can look pretty nice. I am sure that it cost quite a bit for that though.
It is a personal choice and I urge you to check out the car out with /without nav and decide for yourself.
Regarding the IS without the nav, I have seen some nice setups where people add in an aftermarket nav and it can look pretty nice. I am sure that it cost quite a bit for that though.
It is a personal choice and I urge you to check out the car out with /without nav and decide for yourself.
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The nav vs non-nav debate is very old.
Adding OEM Nav after you buy is very expensive (and time consuming if you do it yourself). I will say I've seen far more people that have regretting not purchasing OEM (which is why there is a thread dedicated to people trying to add OEM nav to their non-OEM Nav car) than the Kurtz camp, but what matters is how you will feel. Just be sure you are happy with whatever you decide (both in the short-term and the long-term).
IMHO: The Lexus nav is sub-par, but it is functional, and meets my everyday requirements. Personally, I don't want any mounts (even temporary) in my car; I've seen lots of setups and I think they all look very cluttered (yes even the gravity mount on the dash), but if that doesn't bother then you should consider it. Personally, I like the integrated nav and the touchscreen controls for my Lexus, but it's really a personal decision.
Adding OEM Nav after you buy is very expensive (and time consuming if you do it yourself). I will say I've seen far more people that have regretting not purchasing OEM (which is why there is a thread dedicated to people trying to add OEM nav to their non-OEM Nav car) than the Kurtz camp, but what matters is how you will feel. Just be sure you are happy with whatever you decide (both in the short-term and the long-term).
IMHO: The Lexus nav is sub-par, but it is functional, and meets my everyday requirements. Personally, I don't want any mounts (even temporary) in my car; I've seen lots of setups and I think they all look very cluttered (yes even the gravity mount on the dash), but if that doesn't bother then you should consider it. Personally, I like the integrated nav and the touchscreen controls for my Lexus, but it's really a personal decision.
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I special ordered my car, and paid cash. I explicitly went out of my way to avoid the crappy OEM nav system, which is the thing really stuck in the 20th century.
My Garmin (which does have bluetooth) also has realtime traffic, which saves me a lot more time than the 10 seconds it takes me to put it in the center console when I park it.... the crappy OEM system doesn't have that feature so I guess you need to watch DVDs on it while you're stuck in the traffic I avoided.
Further, nav doesn't play DVDs either unless you paid $4000 for it (ML plus Nav..the stock $2500 nav doesn't do it).... and then it won't do it unless you're in park, unless you wanna hack up your wiring harness.... and then watching them while driving is not only -stupid- it's illegal in many states.
(I do have ML by the way, just not the crappy OEM nav)
Plus, I paid $99 for lifetime map updates... versus the $300 a year you're gonna be stuck paying to Lexus for map updates.
Plus I get lane assist, another feature the antique OEM system lacks... it also tells me the speed limit of whatever road I'm on, lets me download custom POI databases for redlight cameras and speed traps, plays audiobooks and MP3s, and it lets me plan long trips on my desktop PC then download custom routes and POIs to the GPS.
True I don't have a backup camera- If I wanted to spend another 10% of what you paid for OEM nav I could've gotten an aftermarket nav with a backup camera too... Fortunately my neck works...I'm sorry to hear yours does not. If I was driving a huge truck I could understand the need for a rear camera, instead I bought a small sport sedan.
And and it'll run 4 or 5 hours at a time on battery if your self worth is really destroyed by running a power wire.
Plus, it lets me have real physical buttons to change my climate and radio settings directly so I'm not wasting time switching screens to make adjustments like you are, or switching screens just to see what is set at what, it's all clearly displayed for me at once on my superior non-nav interior
Plus, of course, the extra couple thousand bucks I saved to get a system that does a lot more and works better... and I can take it on trips to use in rental cars too.
My Garmin (which does have bluetooth) also has realtime traffic, which saves me a lot more time than the 10 seconds it takes me to put it in the center console when I park it.... the crappy OEM system doesn't have that feature so I guess you need to watch DVDs on it while you're stuck in the traffic I avoided.
Further, nav doesn't play DVDs either unless you paid $4000 for it (ML plus Nav..the stock $2500 nav doesn't do it).... and then it won't do it unless you're in park, unless you wanna hack up your wiring harness.... and then watching them while driving is not only -stupid- it's illegal in many states.
(I do have ML by the way, just not the crappy OEM nav)
Plus, I paid $99 for lifetime map updates... versus the $300 a year you're gonna be stuck paying to Lexus for map updates.
Plus I get lane assist, another feature the antique OEM system lacks... it also tells me the speed limit of whatever road I'm on, lets me download custom POI databases for redlight cameras and speed traps, plays audiobooks and MP3s, and it lets me plan long trips on my desktop PC then download custom routes and POIs to the GPS.
True I don't have a backup camera- If I wanted to spend another 10% of what you paid for OEM nav I could've gotten an aftermarket nav with a backup camera too... Fortunately my neck works...I'm sorry to hear yours does not. If I was driving a huge truck I could understand the need for a rear camera, instead I bought a small sport sedan.
And and it'll run 4 or 5 hours at a time on battery if your self worth is really destroyed by running a power wire.
Plus, it lets me have real physical buttons to change my climate and radio settings directly so I'm not wasting time switching screens to make adjustments like you are, or switching screens just to see what is set at what, it's all clearly displayed for me at once on my superior non-nav interior
Plus, of course, the extra couple thousand bucks I saved to get a system that does a lot more and works better... and I can take it on trips to use in rental cars too.
Well, if you simply MUST have a nav inside of the dash then I'd strongly suggest going aftermarket.
Your total cost, even paying for a custom installation that looks factory, will be about the same... but you'll be able to use an aftermarket nav system that actually has features from this century and does a lot more than the one Lexus offers, plus doesn't gouge you for map updates.
Your total cost, even paying for a custom installation that looks factory, will be about the same... but you'll be able to use an aftermarket nav system that actually has features from this century and does a lot more than the one Lexus offers, plus doesn't gouge you for map updates.
Wow, bitter much? I didn't want to go down the list of features like Phiber did, but I agree with everything he stated. I don't know about you, but I love my Bluetooth and backup camera. And it takes me absolutely no time to access the different screens and to change settings. You are obviously going out of your way to bash the OEM navigation system and I have no idea why. To say that your non-nav interior is superior is just plain stupid. I'm glad you love your Garmin so much, but I'm sure most people would opt for the built-in nav if given the choice. Then again, if you are counting every penny you think you saved by not getting it, maybe a Lexus is not the car for you. Not trying to start a flame war here, just adding my two cents.
And yes, I love my bluetooth too... especially since unlike the inferior factory system some actually have an A2DP profile for playing music over bluetooth!
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No package- both are stand-alone options... the radar cruise is called PCS (pre collision system) since besides the radar cruise feature if the radar guesses you're about to crash it'll do stuff like boost the brakes, tighten the seatbelts, prime the airbags, etc... Mark Levinson also isn't included in any of the standard packages in the US, you can either get it totally alone, or together with nav (or nav without ML), but none are part of any packages.
And the ML system, which includes 14 speakers, the IS already has 14 speakers and they just replace the 14 speakers with the ML speakers, right?
Or am i not understand something here?
And is it better to get a lexus is 350 sport w/o the NAV
or IS 350 with the LUX package including the NAV? =/
*still confizzeled*
sorry.
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Honestly I wouldn't be able to drive this car without the built-in navigation system. At the very least it wouldn't be as fun. It does more than just tell you where to go. The OEM nav screen also controls the audio and climate control. I'm sure you can do most of that with buttons, but I love my touch screen. If you can find one with nav, I say go for it.
So the answer is that this is an is350 sport?
And the ML system, which includes 14 speakers, the IS already has 14 speakers and they just replace the 14 speakers with the ML speakers, right?
Or am i not understand something here?
And is it better to get a lexus is 350 sport w/o the NAV
or IS 350 with the LUX package including the NAV? =/
*still confizzeled*
sorry.
And the ML system, which includes 14 speakers, the IS already has 14 speakers and they just replace the 14 speakers with the ML speakers, right?
Or am i not understand something here?
And is it better to get a lexus is 350 sport w/o the NAV
or IS 350 with the LUX package including the NAV? =/
*still confizzeled*
sorry.
Nav is a completely standalone option in the US, not part of any package. (and I suggest you skip it since for 1/10th the cost a standalone is better... or for the same cost an aftermarket custom installed in-dash unit is better)
The standard stereo has 13 speakers, not 14... the ML has about 50% more power with a different ML amp, an extra speaker (which adds a center channel), different locations for the rear speakers, and is laid out for 7.1 surround sound.
You can very clearly see what comes in what package (and what is a standalone option) here:
http://www.lexus.com/models/IS/features/pricing.html
Wow, bitter much? I didn't want to go down the list of features like Phiber did, but I agree with everything he stated. I don't know about you, but I love my Bluetooth and backup camera. And it takes me absolutely no time to access the different screens and to change settings. You are obviously going out of your way to bash the OEM navigation system and I have no idea why. To say that your non-nav interior is superior is just plain stupid. I'm glad you love your Garmin so much, but I'm sure most people would opt for the built-in nav if given the choice. Then again, if you are counting every penny you think you saved by not getting it, maybe a Lexus is not the car for you. Not trying to start a flame war here, just adding my two cents.
Well, if you simply MUST have a nav inside of the dash then I'd strongly suggest going aftermarket.
Your total cost, even paying for a custom installation that looks factory, will be about the same... but you'll be able to use an aftermarket nav system that actually has features from this century and does a lot more than the one Lexus offers, plus doesn't gouge you for map updates.
Your total cost, even paying for a custom installation that looks factory, will be about the same... but you'll be able to use an aftermarket nav system that actually has features from this century and does a lot more than the one Lexus offers, plus doesn't gouge you for map updates.
Why would I be bitter I have a vastly more functional and featured system than you for $2000 less? To say your much more expensive setup that does a lot less is superior is just plain stupid. That makes no sense at all. Bitter would be someone who spent 10 times more money to get something with less features.
And yes, I love my bluetooth too... especially since unlike the inferior factory system some actually have an A2DP profile for playing music over bluetooth!
And yes, I love my bluetooth too... especially since unlike the inferior factory system some actually have an A2DP profile for playing music over bluetooth!
-does it even have built in rear view camera?
- Does it have bluetooth where the it will automatically pause your CD?
- Can your bluetooth be heard in the interior speakers?
-Does it have buttons to control on steering wheel to accept or end call? Not to mention the speed dial list on the navigation
-Can you see the song name/track name on the CD/Mp3?
-Can you watch DVD? Don't forget you can get navtool interface for only $200. It doesn't not mess with any stock wiring. It just plugs and play. Also I can watch it while driving.
-Not to mention the hassle of taking off the navi everytime you park it is just too much a hassle and fearing that someone will break into your car for your navigation.
Geesh, this is ridiculous.
EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A NAV VS NON-NAV, the same war of the two is started. And everyone says that Kurtz is bitter.
...when all he's doing is explaining his reasoning.
This out to just be a sticky, showing Kurtz's points of the Garmin vs. everyone elses points about the OEM.
We all know that pretty much with the exception of Kurtz and I, no one else likes the non-nav OEM setup.
Everyone thinks it's non-luxury. That it's cluttered. That it's ugly. That it doesn't have any nice amenities.
On the other hand, Kurtz and I saved money by buying a car that didn't have features that they didn't like and/or need. Could resale hurt??? Quite possibly, as others will have the same view as the majority of this board.
But, at the end of the day, that's why they have options. It's no different than someone saying that they bought a 250 instead of a 350. If you don't want/need the extra power, why pay for it.
PS: Due to the way the back window and trunk slopes, I *will* admit that the rear camera is nice.....but the $500 park assist option solves that problem.
EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A NAV VS NON-NAV, the same war of the two is started. And everyone says that Kurtz is bitter.
...when all he's doing is explaining his reasoning. This out to just be a sticky, showing Kurtz's points of the Garmin vs. everyone elses points about the OEM.
We all know that pretty much with the exception of Kurtz and I, no one else likes the non-nav OEM setup.
Everyone thinks it's non-luxury. That it's cluttered. That it's ugly. That it doesn't have any nice amenities.
On the other hand, Kurtz and I saved money by buying a car that didn't have features that they didn't like and/or need. Could resale hurt??? Quite possibly, as others will have the same view as the majority of this board.
But, at the end of the day, that's why they have options. It's no different than someone saying that they bought a 250 instead of a 350. If you don't want/need the extra power, why pay for it.
PS: Due to the way the back window and trunk slopes, I *will* admit that the rear camera is nice.....but the $500 park assist option solves that problem.
Last edited by mikes rx; Jul 12, 2009 at 05:22 AM.
So, to get back to the original question, yes you can add the OEM nav (there have been a couple of members that have done it).
It will cost you some and will require work, as IIRC it's NOT just a quick replacement of the radio/console like it is in other vehicles.
It will cost you some and will require work, as IIRC it's NOT just a quick replacement of the radio/console like it is in other vehicles.
Another Nav thread
I have Nav, my wife doesn't. I use the navigation feature on my Verizon phone for a number of reasons. However, every time my wife gets in my car, and I back it out of the garage, she comments on my back-up camera. She also uses the navigation on her phone, and since she has an ES, she has bluetooth which is available on the ES without Nav.
Bottom Line - If I had it to do over again, her car would have Nav, for the camera alone.
Lou
I have Nav, my wife doesn't. I use the navigation feature on my Verizon phone for a number of reasons. However, every time my wife gets in my car, and I back it out of the garage, she comments on my back-up camera. She also uses the navigation on her phone, and since she has an ES, she has bluetooth which is available on the ES without Nav. Bottom Line - If I had it to do over again, her car would have Nav, for the camera alone.
Lou
+1 couldn't agree more.
Show us someone who has a successful aftermarket nav system built into our IS. After being on this board for over 1 year I still haven't seen a successful aftermarket navigation. I have seen some aftermarket one where the climate control is on the door panel and people would get rid of the center vents to place their navigation there. Not to mention, you are messing with the car's warranty.
Show us someone who has a successful aftermarket nav system built into our IS. After being on this board for over 1 year I still haven't seen a successful aftermarket navigation. I have seen some aftermarket one where the climate control is on the door panel and people would get rid of the center vents to place their navigation there. Not to mention, you are messing with the car's warranty.
Here ya go-
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...h-clean-2.html
Want one that looks more flush? Sure, here ya go-
http://my.is/forums/attachments/f159...0-_mg_6472.jpg
The only "warranty" you mess with is on the basic wiring you're changing... which is true if you do the OEM nav or DVD hacks too....but at least this way you get a nav system from this century.
Mine doesn't, because again, MY NECK WORKS.
Many other aftermarket ones do though, and are still $2000+ less money for a lot more features.
Yup, it sure can. You apparently have no idea how much better aftermarket nav is.
Some models do give you steering wheel button too, but since my arms aren't short like a T-rex I didn't see a need for that feature.
Uh, yes... the normal stereo does that too.
Oh I forgot another one- my nav actually tells you what street to turn on, rather than just saying "In X number of feet turn left"... let another way the aftermarket isn't stuck in 1998 like the OEM system.
and BTW, OEM nav is -bad- for resale because of how quickly those systems become ancient and dated-
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ale-usat_N.htm
Apparently you skip a lot of posts...
Here ya go-
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...h-clean-2.html
Want one that looks more flush? Sure, here ya go-
http://my.is/forums/attachments/f159...0-_mg_6472.jpg
The only "warranty" you mess with is on the basic wiring you're changing... which is true if you do the OEM nav or DVD hacks too....but at least this way you get a nav system from this century.
Here ya go-
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...h-clean-2.html
Want one that looks more flush? Sure, here ya go-
http://my.is/forums/attachments/f159...0-_mg_6472.jpg
The only "warranty" you mess with is on the basic wiring you're changing... which is true if you do the OEM nav or DVD hacks too....but at least this way you get a nav system from this century.
lol.. what are we in? a civic? I use to do stuff like this on my old car and it was a ricer.. last time I remember we are in a Lexus..
Regardless, it still doesn't give it the "Clean" look and luxury feel to our cars. Not to mention, the possibility of people breaking into your car for that.
Simply not true. Aftermarket can do a lot MORE than the OEM, and it can do virtually everything the OEM one can as well, for thousands of dollars less.
Mine doesn't, because again, MY NECK WORKS.
My neck works great too but lets not forget we are in a compact sedan. When I am parked next to a SUV i can not see if there is car coming or not. Therefore, I rely on the backup camera to tell me if there are any cars or people.
Many other aftermarket ones do though, and are still $2000+ less money for a lot more features.
Fail?
I think you mean mute? Even the OEM CD player doesn't have a pause button. Mine does have a mute button though.
Yup, it sure can. You apparently have no idea how much better aftermarket nav is.
Actually, yes... my Garmin downloads my phonebook via bluetooth just like yours.
Some models do give you steering wheel button too, but since my arms aren't short like a T-rex I didn't see a need for that feature.
Some models do give you steering wheel button too, but since my arms aren't short like a T-rex I didn't see a need for that feature.
Uh, yes... the normal stereo does that too.
Which is idiotically dangerous for one, illegal in some states for another, and it STILL requires taking apart your dash and they'll STILL blame the navtool for warranty problems with the nav unless you take it apart and remove it again before bringing it in.... all of which is WAY WAY more hassle than the 10 seconds it takes to put the Garmin in the center console when I park.
There is something called putting back to stock if there is a problem. I had OEM navi on my previous car for 6 years. How often do navi go bad?
Oh I forgot another one- my nav actually tells you what street to turn on, rather than just saying "In X number of feet turn left"... let another way the aftermarket isn't stuck in 1998 like the OEM system.
and BTW, OEM nav is -bad- for resale because of how quickly those systems become ancient and dated-
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ale-usat_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...ale-usat_N.htm
Like someone said in the previous post. It seems like you got the wrong car. Maybe Lexus isn't for you.
And none of this OEM vs. aftermarket nav is on topic. Stay on topic or we'll end the thread very quickly. Topic is CAN YOU ADD NAVIGATION.
Answer: YES. Either OEM or aftermarket. Both will cost some time and money, either is possible.
Answer: YES. Either OEM or aftermarket. Both will cost some time and money, either is possible.