Possible Design Flaw
Okay guys. I think everyone gets each others point of view. Time to drop the nav hack/lock out subject on this thread already and get back to the original topic. This is a courtesy warning to stay on topic and to get your point across without calling others names.
Lead Lap
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I wouldn't put up with a car that only satisfies me 98% of the time. Hey daddy.......I want a different car.........please..I'll even clean my room!!
BTW: the nav lockout in not a flaw...its to protect people (perhaps like you) from killing yourself and others (perhaps like me) Thanks Lexus.....I appreciate your thinking on this one...
This is the most likely reason Lexus chooses to lockout these features, from the California Vehicle Code:
So all this discussion about Lexus choosing the nobler path can cease. Their legal department chose a strict interpretation of this law. Note is says "...disables the equipment for all uses except as a visual display..." We're lucky we can still control the climate functions while moving. Maybe that's part of why we still have the dedicated button row below the screen.
I don't much care for the orientation of the plug, and obviously it's done that way for a bigger reason than we're complaining about. In the Scion tC, the plug is perfectly oriented to allow plugging in the bulkiest of adapters, connecting to whatever device you desire, and closing the center console lid. While it doesn't have a pass through for the wire, it's still no big deal to close the lid with the wire being lightly pinched.
And Daddy didn't buy my car, I did. Daddy & Mommy never bought a car (or bike) for me.
27602. (a) A person may not drive a motor vehicle if a television receiver, a video monitor, or a television or video screen, or any other, similar means of visually displaying a television broadcast or video signal that produces entertainment or business applications, is operating and is located in the motor vehicle at any point forward of the back of the driver's seat, or is operating and visible to the driver while driving the motor vehicle.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to the following equipment when installed in a vehicle:
(1) A vehicle information display.
(2) A global positioning display.
(3) A mapping display.
(4) A visual display used to enhance or supplement the driver's view forward, behind, or to the sides of a motor vehicle for the purpose of maneuvering the vehicle.
(5) A television receiver, video monitor, television or video screen, or any other, similar means of visually displaying a television broadcast or video signal, if that equipment has an interlock device that, when the motor vehicle is driven, disables the equipment for all uses except as a visual display as described in paragraphs (1) to (4), inclusive.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to the following equipment when installed in a vehicle:
(1) A vehicle information display.
(2) A global positioning display.
(3) A mapping display.
(4) A visual display used to enhance or supplement the driver's view forward, behind, or to the sides of a motor vehicle for the purpose of maneuvering the vehicle.
(5) A television receiver, video monitor, television or video screen, or any other, similar means of visually displaying a television broadcast or video signal, if that equipment has an interlock device that, when the motor vehicle is driven, disables the equipment for all uses except as a visual display as described in paragraphs (1) to (4), inclusive.
I don't much care for the orientation of the plug, and obviously it's done that way for a bigger reason than we're complaining about. In the Scion tC, the plug is perfectly oriented to allow plugging in the bulkiest of adapters, connecting to whatever device you desire, and closing the center console lid. While it doesn't have a pass through for the wire, it's still no big deal to close the lid with the wire being lightly pinched.
And Daddy didn't buy my car, I did. Daddy & Mommy never bought a car (or bike) for me.
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[QUOTE=lobuxracer;2248271]I don't much care for the orientation of the plug, and obviously it's done that way for a bigger reason than we're complaining about. In the Scion tC, the plug is perfectly oriented to allow plugging in the bulkiest of adapters, connecting to whatever device you desire, and closing the center console lid. While it doesn't have a pass through for the wire, it's still no big deal to close the lid with the wire being lightly pinched.
the wire pinching suck i went through 3 of them. (wires)
the wire pinching suck i went through 3 of them. (wires)
Pole Position
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That is a design flaw. FYI you can fix it, though it should have been implemented right in the first place. If this was the first iPod/line-in system on the market, Lexus would have an excuse. They don't.
This fixes the problem... http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ibjf3o1...op&i=127SNI135
Ground loop isolator.
Rgarding the plug, just get a 90 degree car adaptor from RadioShack.
Lexus Champion
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From: Overland Park, KS
This is the most likely reason Lexus chooses to lockout these features, from the California Vehicle Code:
So all this discussion about Lexus choosing the nobler path can cease. Their legal department chose a strict interpretation of this law. Note is says "...disables the equipment for all uses except as a visual display..." We're lucky we can still control the climate functions while moving. Maybe that's part of why we still have the dedicated button row below the screen.
I don't much care for the orientation of the plug, and obviously it's done that way for a bigger reason than we're complaining about. In the Scion tC, the plug is perfectly oriented to allow plugging in the bulkiest of adapters, connecting to whatever device you desire, and closing the center console lid. While it doesn't have a pass through for the wire, it's still no big deal to close the lid with the wire being lightly pinched.
And Daddy didn't buy my car, I did. Daddy & Mommy never bought a car (or bike) for me.
So all this discussion about Lexus choosing the nobler path can cease. Their legal department chose a strict interpretation of this law. Note is says "...disables the equipment for all uses except as a visual display..." We're lucky we can still control the climate functions while moving. Maybe that's part of why we still have the dedicated button row below the screen.
I don't much care for the orientation of the plug, and obviously it's done that way for a bigger reason than we're complaining about. In the Scion tC, the plug is perfectly oriented to allow plugging in the bulkiest of adapters, connecting to whatever device you desire, and closing the center console lid. While it doesn't have a pass through for the wire, it's still no big deal to close the lid with the wire being lightly pinched.
And Daddy didn't buy my car, I did. Daddy & Mommy never bought a car (or bike) for me.
Thank you for posting that. Anyone who reads this section of the code may need to read it over a couple of times but it clearly says that a GPS receiver will exempt you from all of section 27602 if the GPS receiver that doubles as video equipment is, when in motion, locked out from anything and everything but as a visual display as directed in 27602(b)(5). This applies to 2IS, Nav, ML.
It's a somewhat poorly written statue. Because if your GPS receiver is only GPS and not a video display (2IS, Nav, no ML), 27602(b)(2) alone will exempt you from all of section 27602 and there will be no need to lock out anything as directed in 27602(b)(5).
Maybe that's why Acura Nav (non-video) can get away with it.
Check your state law.
Driver School Candidate
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From: FL
I ordered a new car charger for my cell phone, hopefully it will fit in the console with the lid closed, I ordered the "Monster Mobile Ultra-Low Profile Vehicle Power Adapter for Motorola RAZR V3, A780, and Blackberry" So hopefully that will solve that. I regret bringing up the NAV lockout in this thread, ohhwell, sue me, i'm new here. As for the onslaught of posts about my opinions, I think I presented them fairly without looking like some jerk, or by belittling anyone.
It would be a good idea to review the post in the main room titled"ALL 2IS MEMBERS PLEASE READ: Establishing a sense of community in the 2 Gen IS forum"
It would be a good idea to review the post in the main room titled"ALL 2IS MEMBERS PLEASE READ: Establishing a sense of community in the 2 Gen IS forum"
Last edited by Mikey2007; Nov 19, 2006 at 08:33 PM. Reason: wording
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I see you've posted that "you're in" on that thread, please live up to your word.
I wouldn't put up with a car that only satisfies me 98% of the time. Hey daddy.......I want a different car.........please..I'll even clean my room!!
BTW: the nav lockout in not a flaw...its to protect people (perhaps like you) from killing yourself and others (perhaps like me) Thanks Lexus.....I appreciate your thinking on this one...
BTW: the nav lockout in not a flaw...its to protect people (perhaps like you) from killing yourself and others (perhaps like me) Thanks Lexus.....I appreciate your thinking on this one...
Lead Lap
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I regret bringing up the NAV lockout in this thread, ohhwell, sue me, i'm new here. As for the onslaught of posts about my opinions, I think I presented them fairly without looking like some jerk, or by belittling anyone.
It would be a good idea to review the post in the main room titled"ALL 2IS MEMBERS PLEASE READ: Establishing a sense of community in the 2 Gen IS 0
forum"
It would be a good idea to review the post in the main room titled"ALL 2IS MEMBERS PLEASE READ: Establishing a sense of community in the 2 Gen IS 0
forum"
I did review the post as you suggested and I apologize to you if I raised your hackles
Driver School Candidate
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Monster Mobile Ultra-Low Profile Vehicle Power Adapter for Motorola RAZR V3, A780, an
It has right angle plug on the phone and the cigarette lighter ends.
Last edited by Mikey2007; Nov 21, 2006 at 07:39 PM. Reason: wording
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