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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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The IS250 puts out 204HP, which is 204/2.5 = 81.6 HP per liter. With the 3.0 version in the GS it is also 245/3.0 = 81.6 hp per liter. But with the IS350 it is 306/3.5 = 87.4 HP per liter. The 350 should be putting out about 286HP if it was tuned the same as the 2.5 and 3.0 versions. So what did Lexus do to the 3.5 version that gives it the extra 20HP?
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Displacement.

Having high compression close to 12:1 also helps.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by S54toIS350
Displacement.

Having high compression close to 12:1 also helps.
IS250 actually has a higher comp ratio than the IS350, he was using hp/liter so displacement doesnt really matter in that kind of measurement
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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Direct Injection helps on the 2GR helps as well.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Direct Injection helps on the 2GR helps as well.
250 and 350 both have direct injection
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
250 and 350 both have direct injection
Yes exactly. All three engines are the same. But the 3.5 version has more HP per liter (87.4) versus 81.6 for the smaller 2.5 and 3.0. Where does the 3.5 get the extra HP per liter?
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by insider
The IS250 puts out 204HP, which is 204/2.5 = 81.6 HP per liter. With the 3.0 version in the GS it is also 245/3.0 = 81.6 hp per liter. But with the IS350 it is 306/3.5 = 87.4 HP per liter. The 350 should be putting out about 286HP if it was tuned the same as the 2.5 and 3.0 versions. So what did Lexus do to the 3.5 version that gives it the extra 20HP?
Th 350 has a combination of direct and port injection. The 250 only has direct injection, so that is most likely the difference. There are several past tech articles on the forum about the FSE engine.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:45 PM
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High compression and the direct port injection......
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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High compression and the direct port injection......
Ok then, at 87.4 hp per liter, the IS250 should be putting out 219HP. It only has 204. I don't think the port injection affects the high rpm horsepower as it only operates in low and moderate engine speeds.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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Cams, air flow, injector size, exhaust flow, timing/ECU tuning, any or all of those.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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I can't answer the OP's question, but you guys need to check your facts before opening the proverbial mouth. Out of all the responses so far, only SilverBolt's makes the most sense.



1. 2GR-FSE (3.5L) is a mixture of DFI and traditional PFI (port fuel injectors). 4GR-FSE (2.5L) is the only engine which is completely DFI. (Credit to Scotty99 in beating me in posting this while I looked for the sources and links.)

2. The 4GR-FSE runs at 12:1 compression ratio. 2GR-FSE runs at 11.8:1.

Source: Official 2IS Specifications

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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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Having both direct AND port injection doesn't guarantee more power. It only helps alleviate worries regarding running lean. Running rich would increase the power, but the amount that you're saying (about 6hp/liter) is unlikely to be achieved... plus Toyota wouldn't run something rich to just boost power ratings =P (or at least it's assumed haha).

Having a lower compression ratio obviously wouldn't add power... but the addition of port injection would have leaned toward utilizing a higher CR since fuel distribution wouldn't be an issue.

It must all be in the valve timing. Since it can be manipulated, it can be altered to add or reduce power and a minute difference of 6hp/L would be possible.

But let's just be happy it's rated at 306 peak hp in the US and not 286 like it "should've" been. =P
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jcreech
chuck norris
roundhouse kicks are good for at least 20 hp/liter
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