Failed NYS Inspection
02-09-11, 11:26 AM
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Failed NYS Inspection
Against my better judgement and the poll results of my thread https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...ep-the-gs.html, i went and traded anyway 
now im stuck with a car that cant pass inspection. the printout revealed the problems to be...
EVAP SYSTEM - NOT READY
CATALYST - NOT READY
OXYGEN SENSOR - NOT READY.
the gentleman i bought them from said that the O2 sensors are brand new. im not familiar with the evap system, but could that be causing the other two problems?
how much would a repair bill be for these problems?
now im stuck with a car that cant pass inspection. the printout revealed the problems to be...
EVAP SYSTEM - NOT READY
CATALYST - NOT READY
OXYGEN SENSOR - NOT READY.
the gentleman i bought them from said that the O2 sensors are brand new. im not familiar with the evap system, but could that be causing the other two problems?
how much would a repair bill be for these problems?
02-09-11, 11:47 AM
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Well the evap system needs to be diagnosed correctly. Either small leak or gross leak. Usually fuel caps that aren't sealing correctly or not clicked tight a few times can leak. check vacuum lines as well.
Any CEL? usually if the o2 sensor is coding that'll sometimes pop a cat code.
You need to get it diagnosed with a good code reader to look further into the problem.
Any CEL? usually if the o2 sensor is coding that'll sometimes pop a cat code.
You need to get it diagnosed with a good code reader to look further into the problem.
02-09-11, 12:19 PM
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thanks for the reply Justin. i got in touch with the seller. regarding the evap system, he said that there is a box around the solenoid near the intake box with two hoses in it. suggested that one of them might be open and that i plug it. will give it a go and see what happens.
i just remembered that the car has a full exhaust w/o a cat. sounds like that would explain the other two codes.
i just remembered that the car has a full exhaust w/o a cat. sounds like that would explain the other two codes.
02-09-11, 01:16 PM
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thanks for the reply Justin. i got in touch with the seller. regarding the evap system, he said that there is a box around the solenoid near the intake box with two hoses in it. suggested that one of them might be open and that i plug it. will give it a go and see what happens.
i just remembered that the car has a full exhaust w/o a cat. sounds like that would explain the other two codes.
i just remembered that the car has a full exhaust w/o a cat. sounds like that would explain the other two codes.
The evap codes could be what I've already told ya. But you need to go over your evap lines to make sure they're not cracked or also to see if your evap service port cap is closed. If it's open it'll throw a code too. You really need to see if its an evap gross leak code or evap small leak code.
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i lied. i didnt know it was catless. the seller 'reminded' me. 
it eluded me because there isnt a rotten egg smell. there is some other noxious odor though. 
what/where is the evap service port cap? gross leak and small leak are separate codes?
it eluded me because there isnt a rotten egg smell. there is some other noxious odor though. what/where is the evap service port cap? gross leak and small leak are separate codes?
02-10-11, 06:11 AM
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10-4 on the two different codes.
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so i went to AutoZone and asked a tech to scan my car for codes. these are what he found.
there were'nt any codes regarding evap system. probably because i reset the ECU 5 minutes before i hit the shop. slick me thought that if i reset the ECU before the inspection, it would clear my codes. NOPE lol.
with that, i believe the EVAP system is fine and that it simply was'nt ready.
did a little web scratching and learned some interesting things. the O2 sensor can be tricked into thinking a cat is still in place. this is done by moving it out of the way of exhaust gas flow.
i've read that this will clear the p0420 code. will clearing that also clear p0430?
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=296791
there were'nt any codes regarding evap system. probably because i reset the ECU 5 minutes before i hit the shop. slick me thought that if i reset the ECU before the inspection, it would clear my codes. NOPE lol.
Billman250 http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...=229959&st=150
Once you reset the ECU, all your monitors will be incomplete, or "not ready". You will then need to drive the car within it's designated drive cycle, until the conditions are met to reset them. Each one has differnt needs to complete, the cat monitor will take the longest. Can go from one day to one month or more, depending on driving style. You can also get data for each rediness code, that tells you the exact conditions to drive in for a quicker readiness.
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Advice...don't reset your ECU, or interrupt battery voltage, anytime nearing the time your sticker is up
NYS inspection goes like this....
There is no emmisions gas measuring from 1996 and up, only an OBDII query which checks for codes and monitors, and the CEL comanded on. So pulling the cel bulb won't help
You can fail for a visual "no cat present" but most guys will see the nice car and not even put it on the lift.
If you show up with a few incomplete monitors, you can get a ten day. but not if it fails for a CEL first.
1996-2000 can have 2 incomplete monitors, and still pass the test
2001-2003 can have 1 incomplete monitor and still pass
2004-2005 are safety only, at this time
So an 02 sim will get you through, provided the tech doesn't fail you for a no cat.
Once you reset the ECU, all your monitors will be incomplete, or "not ready". You will then need to drive the car within it's designated drive cycle, until the conditions are met to reset them. Each one has differnt needs to complete, the cat monitor will take the longest. Can go from one day to one month or more, depending on driving style. You can also get data for each rediness code, that tells you the exact conditions to drive in for a quicker readiness.
==========================================================
Advice...don't reset your ECU, or interrupt battery voltage, anytime nearing the time your sticker is up
NYS inspection goes like this....
There is no emmisions gas measuring from 1996 and up, only an OBDII query which checks for codes and monitors, and the CEL comanded on. So pulling the cel bulb won't help
You can fail for a visual "no cat present" but most guys will see the nice car and not even put it on the lift.
If you show up with a few incomplete monitors, you can get a ten day. but not if it fails for a CEL first.
1996-2000 can have 2 incomplete monitors, and still pass the test
2001-2003 can have 1 incomplete monitor and still pass
2004-2005 are safety only, at this time
So an 02 sim will get you through, provided the tech doesn't fail you for a no cat.
did a little web scratching and learned some interesting things. the O2 sensor can be tricked into thinking a cat is still in place. this is done by moving it out of the way of exhaust gas flow.
i've read that this will clear the p0420 code. will clearing that also clear p0430?
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=296791
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do P0420 and P0430 pertain to specific O2 sensors? i really want to target the problem before i go for inspection again. if i fail again, i dont get another 10 day extension.
not to mention, that's 37 Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers i could have bought at Wendy's!
not to mention, that's 37 Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers i could have bought at Wendy's!
02-11-11, 06:50 AM
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P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
P0430 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2)
This could be because lack of cats. You may need to get some token solution O2 simulators. IF your sensors are picking up readings out of the norm and it isn't a faulty O2 sensor which it would have coded differently then you need the simulators.
P0430 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 2)
This could be because lack of cats. You may need to get some token solution O2 simulators. IF your sensors are picking up readings out of the norm and it isn't a faulty O2 sensor which it would have coded differently then you need the simulators.
02-11-11, 11:22 AM
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Stock manifold has cats. Put the stock manifold back on. And the stock Y-pipe as that has a cat too. Might need some new o2 sensors as well. Depending on what the smog laws are like, you might have to throw everything from the stock manifold all the way back to the stock exhaust back on.
You may be able to fool the computer to not show a CEL but if its anything like Cali, they read the emissions output too and you will fail anyway. (ask me how I know lol)
I had aftermarket header/ypipe and exhaust (stock B pipe) and swapped out the parts with nothing more than jack, jackstands and a rachet/wrench set in one afternoon. Getting the stock manifold back in took some manuevering but not bad. Should be able to pick up stock manifold/ypipe for a reasonable price on here or my.is or borrow some from a friend.
You may be able to fool the computer to not show a CEL but if its anything like Cali, they read the emissions output too and you will fail anyway. (ask me how I know lol)
I had aftermarket header/ypipe and exhaust (stock B pipe) and swapped out the parts with nothing more than jack, jackstands and a rachet/wrench set in one afternoon. Getting the stock manifold back in took some manuevering but not bad. Should be able to pick up stock manifold/ypipe for a reasonable price on here or my.is or borrow some from a friend.
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02-11-11, 11:26 AM
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