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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 02:18 PM
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All of the lexus hybrids add more power to already large engines. I understand that this is for performance reasons but why don't they go the other way also and add hybrid technology to their standard engines or even smaller engines simply for fuel efficiency?

Also, I like having a V8 but a strong V6 would have been sufficient so why does lexus only sell the V8 and not a slightly lower cost V6.

My company pays for all of my fuel so I could care less but I am just curious.
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 02:22 PM
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This article may shed some light:

Future Lexus Hybrids May Favor Fuel Economy Over Performance
By Christie Schweinsberg
Ward's AutoWorld, Apr 1, 2007 12:00 PM

Up to now, Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus luxury division's hybrid-electric vehicles have emphasized performance over fuel economy.

For example, the Lexus LS 600h, the marque's third and newest HEV going on sale in the U.S. in June, is equipped with a 5L V-8 engine mated to a large-capacity battery that, together, produce more than 430 hp.

Lexus has yet to announce the exact horsepower, but emphasizes it will be on par with V-12 engines offered by non-hybrid German competitors Audi, BMW and Mercedes brands.

The Lexus GS 450h midsize sedan and RX 400h hold their own, as well, churning out 340 hp and 268 hp, respectively.

But Bob Carter, Lexus group vice president and general manager, says the brand's strategy of pushing hybrid power over fuel economy may be changing.

“The next thing we're looking at and talking to our customers about is, while there is certainly a role for a power hybrid in Lexus, there could also potentially be a market for mpg-based hybrids,” Carter tells Ward's at a media preview for the LS 600h.

He cites a story relayed to him about a GS 450h owner who said the car's 340 hp is not necessary for her daily driving style and that fuel economy is more important. “That's not the norm, but certainly we know there are people (like that) out there,” he says.

Carter insists pushing Lexus hybrid power vs. Toyota-brand hybrid fuel economy has paid off, pointing to the Lexus RX 400h, which makes up 20% of all RX cross/utility vehicle sales in the U.S.

Nevertheless, “You may not see the clarity of mpg vs. power between the divisions like we once told you,” he says.

Toyota has hinted it is headed in the direction of more spirited hybrids with its concept FT-HS, a 400-hp HEV sports car that achieves 0-60 mph (97 km/h) in 4 seconds, shown at the Detroit auto show in January.

The concept is in sharp contrast to the 143-hp Toyota Prius HEV, which gets a combined 46 mpg (5.1 L/100 km) city/highway.

But so-called “performance hybrids” have been a hard sell to American consumers. The GS 450h and RX 400h sell in modest amounts, with February deliveries at 160 and 1,249 units, respectively, Ward's data shows.

Honda Motor Co. Ltd. heavily touted the performance attributes of its V-6 Accord Hybrid, but sales never materialized and there now is speculation the vehicle will be axed when the new '08 Accord lineup debuts this fall.

John Mendel, senior vice president-automobile operations, American Honda Motor Co. Inc., told Ward's last year that consumers equate hybrids with increased fuel economy in explaining why the Accord Hybrid has failed to catch on.

“People say (about the Accord), ‘It's better than V-6 fuel economy, but if I want a hybrid I want 50 mpg (4.7 L/100 km),’” Mendel said last July.

Meanwhile, although there has not been a new hybrid announcement from Lexus in nearly a year, Carter assures there are more HEVs to come.

He echoes other Toyota executives in alluding to the possibility of future hybrids that would combine diesel-electric or hydrogen fuel cells and electric power.

“What hybrid technology really offers is the ability to take two power sources and mesh them together,” Carter says. “It really gives us a lot of flexibility in the future.”
http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_future_lexus_hybrids/
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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This really does answer the question, essentially they are out of touch with many customers like me on this issue. I would buy a hybrid (for my wife) if it returned excellent fuel economy but we could care less about the vast amounts of power. I have to guess that many people feel this way especially with $3.00 + gas prices. This is especially true when you already have a great engine like the 3.5 in the RX.

Very interesting indeed.

By the way, I love Lexus and am not bashing them in any way as they get just about everything right. I was just wondering...
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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Because hybrid technology is nothing more than an advertising gimmick. The number of years you would have to drive (even with gas at $3.00/gallon) to even come close to breaking even is outrageous. Not to mention uncertain long term reliability (batteries aren't cheap). Not to mention steeper depreciation due to techology advancing faster on hybrids than conventional models.

Hybrid technology doesn't do anything for anyone other than make the bleeding hearts feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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...why don't they go the other way also and add hybrid technology to their standard engines or even smaller engines simply for fuel efficiency?

They do, its called a Toyota.
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 05:10 PM
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i was faced with this issue as well. What if i wanted a luxury car that saved gas?

but i finally realized that hybrids arent for saving gas really. As Hawkeye-se has mentioned, it would take 10 years or more to get back the money you spent on the hybrid over a regular car. So really, its not about saving money, not about saving gas. Its about emissions. Even the LS hybrid is a SULEV vehicle.

in my own opinion, i think that we SHOULD USE ALL THE GAS in the world to force people to rely on something else. It is only then that we can put more effort into producing hybroden, etc.

so performance hybrids are for people who have so much money they dont care about gas, but doesnt want to be drowned by the melting icecaps.
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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Exactly, the smog/polluting emissions are some 70% lower than regular cars, plus the improved fuel efficiency. That's why hybrids have special carpool lane allowances, and in some countries have special incentives.
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Originally Posted by RXSF
i was faced with this issue as well. What if i wanted a luxury car that saved gas?

but i finally realized that hybrids arent for saving gas really. As Hawkeye-se has mentioned, it would take 10 years or more to get back the money you spent on the hybrid over a regular car. So really, its not about saving money, not about saving gas. Its about emissions. Even the LS hybrid is a SULEV vehicle.

in my own opinion, i think that we SHOULD USE ALL THE GAS in the world to force people to rely on something else. It is only then that we can put more effort into producing hybroden, etc.

so performance hybrids are for people who have so much money they dont care about gas, but doesnt want to be drowned by the melting icecaps.
Just nitpicking, gas / oil will never run out. It'll just become too expensive relative to other sources of energy -- such as nuclear which we are avoiding, or even the whole space exploration thing.

I dunno, when someone told me that space was infinite, I started to cry.
If space is infinite, that means everything is possible because every random possibility could exist. Why am I still stuck Earth then filling my car up with the remains of dead dinosaurs? I should be sunbathing in a spaceship orbiting another star right now.

(Ok not sunbathing, I'm already brown, but you get the drift).
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...why don't they go the other way also and add hybrid technology to their standard engines or even smaller engines simply for fuel efficiency?

They do, its called a Toyota.
I didn't happen to see a car in the LS category on the Toyota lot

While I understand there is a corporate relation with Toyota I would definitely not equate a Toyota to a Lexus especially in the LS class.
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im planning to buy myself both an LS for formal occasions and a camry for grocery runs. That way, im still good to the earth.

however, if you were really worried about the environment, driving a lexus will be the best bet. All Lexus cars since 2004 are LEV or lower.

My RX is an Ulev level II which even though drinks a lot is still cleaner than its competitors. I recently saw an Acura TSX who had a sticker posted by Honda on the back window that said LEV. I coudlnt believe that my gas guzzling car that weighs so much and drinks so much is cleaner burning.
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I didn't happen to see a car in the LS category on the Toyota lot

Yep! I meant to add a smiley face to my reply Luxury1. I was just joking with you. I guess no matter what Lexus does, there is no cost-effective hybrid they could ever produce. Its kinda like a Lexus oxymoron!
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nospinzone
I didn't happen to see a car in the LS category on the Toyota lot

Yep! I meant to add a smiley face to my reply Luxury1. I was just joking with you. I guess no matter what Lexus does, there is no cost-effective hybrid they could ever produce. Its kinda like a Lexus oxymoron!
Thanks goodness you were joking! I thought to myself, "nospinzone has had a lot of good points but he is way off on this one!"
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i get 28mpg in our RX400h... the gas version gets ~21 mpg..
the hybrid emits less than half of the gas car's emission (i think)
also.. the hybrid isn't that MUCH more $$$ as the gas as people think..
after the tax credit.. we are paid the about the amount $$$.. so the gas savings is just a bonus..
sure the hybrid system MIGHT "break" in the future.. but it does come with a 8 year warranty..
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