GS450h vs LS460
The top of the line is a lot smoother. Who wants a smoother car when they want a sportier car a la the GS.
So who here thinks they made a mistake buying the GS when the M3 is slightly less expensive.
So who here thinks they made a mistake buying the GS when the M3 is slightly less expensive.
different cars, there is no mistake or not. the gs450h is sportier, faster, and better handling. the ls460 is harger, smoother, more space, and more luxurious
depends on what you want
"top of the line" doesn't bring you anything if it doesn't satisfy your passion of driving
depends on what you want
"top of the line" doesn't bring you anything if it doesn't satisfy your passion of driving
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different cars, there is no mistake or not. the gs450h is sportier, faster, and better handling. the ls460 is harger, smoother, more space, and more luxurious
depends on what you want
"top of the line" doesn't bring you anything if it doesn't satisfy your passion of driving
depends on what you want
"top of the line" doesn't bring you anything if it doesn't satisfy your passion of driving
If you go for the top of the line flagship, it might as well be the LS460L IMHO. Other than more spacious rear seats & addition standard equipment, I think the LWB version looks nicer too, & that version is almost C$100K without additional options, C$110K loaded, & C$122K loaded with executive package.
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I bet the GS450h sells for over the MSRP, but nonetheless it's priced cheaper than a GS430. And if you option in everything that comes standard with it on a GS300, it's even cheaper than that. Not to mention the tax rebates.
The real question is GS450h or GS430.
The real question is GS450h or GS430.
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With GS430, the manager from the dealership told me that there's a 13k Cdn rebate on the 06 GS430s fully loaded on the lot, which makes it cheaper than GS450h. But I already have a V8 engine car, getting another one is just not too tempting. Besides, a lot of my friends drive hybrids like RX400h, Camery Hybrids and I just want to be part of the family.
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I'm also from Vancouver Canada, and I own the GS450h. But my dealer just faxed me the price list for the LS460, and for only $15k more, it seems like you get a lot more car and lot more deluxe features. I agree with everybody about the sportier personality of the GS, and the fact that it looks like you're driving your dad's car, but it just doesn't seem like a lot more for the top of the line model. As a young person, the GS also seems more suitable.
In Canada, the LS with navigation costs $92k, whereas the GS sells for about $76k when you take into account the $2000 hybrid tax credit.
Wavesonic: how you like the car so far? I placed my review in your original thread with the pics of your Benz.
In Canada, the LS with navigation costs $92k, whereas the GS sells for about $76k when you take into account the $2000 hybrid tax credit.
Wavesonic: how you like the car so far? I placed my review in your original thread with the pics of your Benz.
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The GS450h just doesn't make sense to me. Its performance is no better than the GS350 and it will get eaten alive when the GS460 comes out - OK it will get a little better gas mileage than either of those other two, but really, the difference is pretty small and if you're spending that much on a car like this, a few MPG difference probably won't be something your wallet ever notices.
Add to that the almost guaranteed added cost of ownership in the later years including replacing or rebuilding the electric motor, batteries, etc, etc...
I just don't get it. Worse yet is the RX400h now side by side with the RX350.
With that said I think the #1 thing that might keep me from going to the LS460 from the GS460 is that on the LS there is no AVS unless you go with the more expensive and even heavier/larger long wheelbase version. The GS460 on the other hand will have AVS standard as well as I think some sort of dynamic roll bars as well, right?
Add to that the almost guaranteed added cost of ownership in the later years including replacing or rebuilding the electric motor, batteries, etc, etc...
I just don't get it. Worse yet is the RX400h now side by side with the RX350.
With that said I think the #1 thing that might keep me from going to the LS460 from the GS460 is that on the LS there is no AVS unless you go with the more expensive and even heavier/larger long wheelbase version. The GS460 on the other hand will have AVS standard as well as I think some sort of dynamic roll bars as well, right?
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I'm also from Vancouver Canada, and I own the GS450h. But my dealer just faxed me the price list for the LS460, and for only $15k more, it seems like you get a lot more car and lot more deluxe features. I agree with everybody about the sportier personality of the GS, and the fact that it looks like you're driving your dad's car, but it just doesn't seem like a lot more for the top of the line model. As a young person, the GS also seems more suitable.
In Canada, the LS with navigation costs $92k, whereas the GS sells for about $76k when you take into account the $2000 hybrid tax credit.
Wavesonic: how you like the car so far? I placed my review in your original thread with the pics of your Benz.
In Canada, the LS with navigation costs $92k, whereas the GS sells for about $76k when you take into account the $2000 hybrid tax credit.
Wavesonic: how you like the car so far? I placed my review in your original thread with the pics of your Benz.
Other than that, it's a perfect vehicle and my friend who owns a E500 was giving me compliment about the car after sitting in it. I have performed the DVD/BT bypass and adjust my low beam (aimed too low) last night, so its more addicting to drive around.
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Threxx: Actually, the gas mileage is quite impressive. I also own a 4 cylinder 1999 Honda Accord, and my GS gets better mileage. I get 11 litres/100km on my GS so far in the city - that's a pretty good figure. But you'll have to figure out how to convert that into mpg. Furthermore, us West coast people like the environmentally friendly aspect of the hybrid, and the fact that the car is silent during idle. And on top of that, a lot of people are fascinated by the whole hybrid concept, including the fancy displays in the car. You don't know how many people who sit in my car are amazed by it!
Wave: How did you do the DVD bypass? The instructions look scary, having to take out the dash and cut all these wires. Weren't you concerned about damaging the car? Maybe you can help me with the bypass on my car. Was it difficult?
Wave: How did you do the DVD bypass? The instructions look scary, having to take out the dash and cut all these wires. Weren't you concerned about damaging the car? Maybe you can help me with the bypass on my car. Was it difficult?
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Threxx: Actually, the gas mileage is quite impressive. I also own a 4 cylinder 1999 Honda Accord, and my GS gets better mileage. I get 11 litres/100km on my GS so far in the city - that's a pretty good figure. But you'll have to figure out how to convert that into mpg. Furthermore, us West coast people like the environmentally friendly aspect of the hybrid, and the fact that the car is silent during idle. And on top of that, a lot of people are fascinated by the whole hybrid concept, including the fancy displays in the car. You don't know how many people who sit in my car are amazed by it!
Wave: How did you do the DVD bypass? The instructions look scary, having to take out the dash and cut all these wires. Weren't you concerned about damaging the car? Maybe you can help me with the bypass on my car. Was it difficult?
Wave: How did you do the DVD bypass? The instructions look scary, having to take out the dash and cut all these wires. Weren't you concerned about damaging the car? Maybe you can help me with the bypass on my car. Was it difficult?
It does sound scary to perform a major 'surgery' on a 3-day old car, but it's not bad at all comparing with modding my xbox which I had to solder 13 wires on the circuit board.
Last edited by wavesonic; Oct 31, 2006 at 03:06 PM.
