Neiman Marcus GS450H (merged threads)
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,813
Likes: 1
From: The Bay Area, CA, USA
Originally Posted by AmethySC
I think a fully loaded GS430 with PCS & ACC is already $62K right ?
So $63K for a GS450h which comes fully loaded is about right . . .
So $63K for a GS450h which comes fully loaded is about right . . .
CL Community Team
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,277
Likes: 354
From: Canada
Originally Posted by XeroK00L
My calculations were based on a loaded GS without PCS & LCC, since the NM GS450h doesn't seem to have them either.
Up here in Canada, you can't even get ML/NAV & wood steering wheel without the PCS & LCC, a fully loaded GS430 always comes with PCS & LCC.
Last edited by Gojirra99; Sep 28, 2005 at 08:16 AM.
interesting. in fact the 65k pricetag isn't too bad imho. but calling in the first 2 mins to order your car that's another thing
can't see clearly from the picture what the color is like though, that sux... and i wonder what else is different besides teh exterior color and the wheels
can't see clearly from the picture what the color is like though, that sux... and i wonder what else is different besides teh exterior color and the wheels
MultiTasking Mom
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,662
Likes: 2
From: California
i hope the 450h is right around 60, not 65. b/c apparently they are using the same "hybrid premium" on the GS as they did on the RX. since the 450h is based off the V6 engine, the premium should be on the GS300/350 pricing, not the GS430 pricing. fully loaded GS3 is right around 51k. the premium on the RX hybrid is roughly 8500 bucks, so if all holds true, the 450h should be right around 60k.
that would be my guess...
what do i know, i am waiting for the dang 460 to come out! 
that would be my guess...
what do i know, i am waiting for the dang 460 to come out!
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,813
Likes: 1
From: The Bay Area, CA, USA
Originally Posted by rominl
i wonder what else is different besides teh exterior color and the wheels
BTW, the wheels are the same as the regular GS450h's.
ClubLexus Stories
Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe
8 Tips for Improving Your Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid's Efficiency!
Michael S. Palmer
10 Best Lexus Models No One Remembers
Joe Kucinski
TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing
Michael S. Palmer
Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!
Joe Kucinski
Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation
Joe Kucinski
Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?
Brett Foote
GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler
Michael S. Palmer
9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)
Joe Kucinski
2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!
Brett Foote
CL Community Team
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,277
Likes: 354
From: Canada
Originally Posted by lexuslover
i hope the 450h is right around 60, not 65. b/c apparently they are using the same "hybrid premium" on the GS as they did on the RX. since the 450h is based off the V6 engine, the premium should be on the GS300/350 pricing, not the GS430 pricing. fully loaded GS3 is right around 51k. the premium on the RX hybrid is roughly 8500 bucks, so if all holds true, the 450h should be right around 60k.
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,813
Likes: 1
From: The Bay Area, CA, USA
Originally Posted by lexuslover
i hope the 450h is right around 60, not 65. b/c apparently they are using the same "hybrid premium" on the GS as they did on the RX. since the 450h is based off the V6 engine, the premium should be on the GS300/350 pricing, not the GS430 pricing. fully loaded GS3 is right around 51k. the premium on the RX hybrid is roughly 8500 bucks, so if all holds true, the 450h should be right around 60k.
that would be my guess... what do i know, i am waiting for the dang 460 to come out!
that would be my guess...
what do i know, i am waiting for the dang 460 to come out! 
The premium should be on a GS350, not a GS300, however. Also, the RX hybrid is only about $4k more expensive than a similarly equipped RX330 AWD. But you are right that a fully loaded GS3 without PCS & ACC is about $51k, not the $53k figure in my post.So the actual hybrid "premium" of the GS450h = $63k - $51k - 0.5L-premium = $12k - 0.5L-premium = more unreasonable than the RX400h premium since there's no way the extra 0.5L displacement is worth $12k - $5k = $7k!! IMO the extra 0.5L is worth $4k at most. So the actual GS450h "hybrid premium" is more than $12k - $4k = $8k, doubling the RX400h premium!
Last edited by XeroK00L; Sep 28, 2005 at 12:11 PM.
CL Community Team
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,277
Likes: 354
From: Canada
One thing you neglected is that the RX hybrid bump the RX from 330 to 400, but for the GS, it's from the 350 to a 450. plus I still think at $63k, the GS450h will come with the PCS & LCC . . .
plus I still think at $63k, the GS450h will come with the PCS & LCC . . .
Last edited by Gojirra99; Sep 28, 2005 at 12:17 PM.
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,813
Likes: 1
From: The Bay Area, CA, USA
Originally Posted by AmethySC
One thing you neglected is that the RX hybrid bump the RX from a 330 to 400, but for the GX, it's from the 350 to a 450.
The real calculation basis is the addition of the electric drivetrain, and from the specs we have I don't see the electric drivetrain in the GS450h being any stronger than the one on the RX400h. And that's why I said the GS hybrid's "premium" is more unreasonable than the premium of the RX400h.
CL Community Team
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 30,277
Likes: 354
From: Canada
Originally Posted by XeroK00L
That number bump is pretty arbitrarily chosen for marketing purposes. Who says RX400h's performance is really on par with a "4L" engine-powered RX and not a 3.8L or a 4.2L-engine-powered RX? The point is moot as an RX400 doesn't even exist!
The real calculation basis is the addition of the electric drivetrain, and from the specs we have I don't see the electric drivetrain in the GS450h being any stronger than the one on the RX400h. And that's why I said the GS hybrid's "premium" is more unreasonable than the premium of the RX400h.
The real calculation basis is the addition of the electric drivetrain, and from the specs we have I don't see the electric drivetrain in the GS450h being any stronger than the one on the RX400h. And that's why I said the GS hybrid's "premium" is more unreasonable than the premium of the RX400h.
Also, there may also be some other minor differences between GS450h & the GS300, just like those of the GS430 over the GS300, like VDIM, different wheels that cost more, for example, etc.
Again, a loaded GS430 with PCS & LCC is $62k. Does anyone really expect the GS450h, which should be at least as fast, if not faster, & with better gas mileage, to cost less ?
Last edited by Gojirra99; Sep 28, 2005 at 01:06 PM.
Guest
Posts: n/a
I am with AmethySC here, I've estimated 65k since we first heard of this car. Hyrbids only come loaded from my understanding and with the yen trading where it is, and with the additional, newer engine and hybrid technology, 65k sounds about right and Lexus will sell every last one they can build.
Funny but I see the 450h becoming a real image maker for Lexus, b/c its a hybrid.
340hp sounds about right, since Lexus names its cars after what it thinks ratings will be for a gas only engine. So they are saying it will have the power of a 4.5 liter V-8.
The Audi 4.2 V-8 makes 340hp
The Nissan Fuga makes 335hp with their 4.5 V-8.
Sounds about right.
Funny but I see the 450h becoming a real image maker for Lexus, b/c its a hybrid.
340hp sounds about right, since Lexus names its cars after what it thinks ratings will be for a gas only engine. So they are saying it will have the power of a 4.5 liter V-8.
The Audi 4.2 V-8 makes 340hp
The Nissan Fuga makes 335hp with their 4.5 V-8.
Sounds about right.
MultiTasking Mom
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,662
Likes: 2
From: California
Originally Posted by AmethySC
One thing you neglected is that the RX hybrid bump the RX from 330 to 400, but for the GS, it's from the 350 to a 450. plus I still think at $63k, the GS450h will come with the PCS & LCC . . .
plus I still think at $63k, the GS450h will come with the PCS & LCC . . . if it does come preloaded with PCS and LCC, $63k is not too bad. but i am thinking they will build some without at around 60...
the 8500 hybrid premium i calc'd on the RX is for similarly equipped 330 vs. 400h, neither with PCS nor LCC. i don't think i can build one in my area that has those features. the recent article says the 450h will carry a very similar markup. but yes, you are right, if you have no choice but to get PCS and LCC, it will likely be >60. those extras aren't cheap!