•• 2024 GX 550 Discussion
04-23-22, 04:13 PM
#241
I’ll never be a hybrid or EV convert. When the switch happens that those are my only options with Lexus I’ll look elsewhere. Those types of vehicles just don’t appeal to me where I live with our winters.
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Piney1 (04-23-22)
04-23-22, 04:20 PM
#242
I can appreciate that. Personally I believe in free market choice so in my dream world all drivetrains would be an option—including a V8 option. I hate being forced to buy a drivetrain or take “regulated” safety tech I do not want. Let the consumer decide what they want. With that said if a V6 TT is the only choice for the next GX I’m out.
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Piney1 (04-23-22)
04-24-22, 08:49 AM
#243
I don't fetishize the V8. As long as it is reliable, I would LOVE a plug in hybrid if it comes in the next gen. Best of both worlds. Get energy for low efficiency city driving off of the grid (or home solar), and for long haul trips get the convenience of gas. Plus smooth and plentiful torque from the augmented electric motor. Once my '07 IS250 craps out, I will prob replace it with one (hopefully not for a few years).
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MrTorgue (04-24-22)
04-28-22, 11:18 AM
#244
I can appreciate that. Personally I believe in free market choice so in my dream world all drivetrains would be an option—including a V8 option. I hate being forced to buy a drivetrain or take “regulated” safety tech I do not want. Let the consumer decide what they want. With that said if a V6 TT is the only choice for the next GX I’m out.
http://www.usspecialtyvehicles.com/gx
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MrTorgue (04-29-22)
04-28-22, 02:03 PM
#245
3rd Gen 🧐
This is my first ever GX460 but I’m interested to see what Lexus will come up with.
Coming from an FJ cruiser -> Highlander -> 2022 Gx460 …I’m grateful 😁
Maybe a dual exhaust option?
Coming from an FJ cruiser -> Highlander -> 2022 Gx460 …I’m grateful 😁
Maybe a dual exhaust option?
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Piney1 (04-28-22)
04-28-22, 03:43 PM
#246
Driver School Candidate
This is a great thread, lots of information. I’ve always been a huge fan of the Corvette. Recall when the 300Z twin-turbo came out? You’ll rarely see them on the road today but the V8 in the ‘Vette still keeps plugging along. The Supra? How many of those do you see? The new ones non withstanding, the turbo cars do not age well because (my hunch) is that the turbo motors do not last. Too much pressure and too much complexity.
I bought 35 or 38 F150 4x4s with the 5.0 between 2019 and 2020. Got the 5.0 because you can’t kill them but Ford is trying hard. That fuel efficiency programming is killing the motors. Also have roughly 100 Tahoes with the bulletproof 5,3 - can’t kill them UNLESS you do not turn off the cylinder deactivation. That gem of a CAFE dream fries the motors inside of 120k. My job, we run the Tahoes and will run the F150s to at least 200k and still sell them for decent money. Call me a skeptic but a turbo won’t do that.
What I do not see are high mileage turbo cars. High mileage hybrid is cool but not turbo. I’ve rented a Prius and drove it like MrTorgue did, still got 56 mpg. Thankfully I was out of state and nobody recognized in it! I’d have a hybrid V6 all day long but not a turbo. Only way to have a turbo is also the only way to have a Mercedes, BMW or Land Rover and that is to LEASE it. I know that Lexus is phenomenal at reliability and really hope they go the hybrid / normally aspirated route. Just my .02
I bought 35 or 38 F150 4x4s with the 5.0 between 2019 and 2020. Got the 5.0 because you can’t kill them but Ford is trying hard. That fuel efficiency programming is killing the motors. Also have roughly 100 Tahoes with the bulletproof 5,3 - can’t kill them UNLESS you do not turn off the cylinder deactivation. That gem of a CAFE dream fries the motors inside of 120k. My job, we run the Tahoes and will run the F150s to at least 200k and still sell them for decent money. Call me a skeptic but a turbo won’t do that.
What I do not see are high mileage turbo cars. High mileage hybrid is cool but not turbo. I’ve rented a Prius and drove it like MrTorgue did, still got 56 mpg. Thankfully I was out of state and nobody recognized in it! I’d have a hybrid V6 all day long but not a turbo. Only way to have a turbo is also the only way to have a Mercedes, BMW or Land Rover and that is to LEASE it. I know that Lexus is phenomenal at reliability and really hope they go the hybrid / normally aspirated route. Just my .02
i am being told by toyota mechanics that their turbo engines are pretty reliable. so time will tell how reliable the V35A-FTS will turnout to be
turbo technology did come a long way though. i have a V8TT MB truck with 130k on the clock and so far no turbo issue. these engines typically don't die because of turbos but because of bad cylinder walls using silitec coating. the newer german 4.0 V8TT engines in MB and Porsches are fine engines turning out to be pretty reliable. prolly not million mile engines though like LS1 or 1URFE
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Piney1 (04-28-22)
04-28-22, 04:41 PM
#247
i agree with you
i am being told by toyota mechanics that their turbo engines are pretty reliable. so time will tell how reliable the V35A-FTS will turnout to be
turbo technology did come a long way though. i have a V8TT MB truck with 130k on the clock and so far no turbo issue. these engines typically don't die because of turbos but because of bad cylinder walls using silitec coating. the newer german 4.0 V8TT engines in MB and Porsches are fine engines turning out to be pretty reliable. prolly not million mile engines though like LS1 or 1URFE
i am being told by toyota mechanics that their turbo engines are pretty reliable. so time will tell how reliable the V35A-FTS will turnout to be
turbo technology did come a long way though. i have a V8TT MB truck with 130k on the clock and so far no turbo issue. these engines typically don't die because of turbos but because of bad cylinder walls using silitec coating. the newer german 4.0 V8TT engines in MB and Porsches are fine engines turning out to be pretty reliable. prolly not million mile engines though like LS1 or 1URFE
04-28-22, 07:22 PM
#248
Driver School Candidate
some MB engines were legendary. a few million mile engines but they don't make them anymore. i mean they still make great engines but not million mile engines. IMHO, these URFE engines maybe the last few legendary ICE V8s we will see in production in our lifetime based on what's going on around the world. which is the reason why i just picked up a 22 GX. high output V6 TTs don't cut it for me.
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04-29-22, 02:16 AM
#249
https://www.industrialinjection.com/...charger-right/
04-29-22, 05:13 AM
#250
04-29-22, 06:46 AM
#251
Intermediate
Having owned a number of turbo cars I see that there are two main reliability issues.
1) the turbocharger itself adds an additional component that is working at extreme temperatures and speed. These add another component that can fail.
2) The increased power output of turbo engines places higher stresses and loads on internal engine components; pistons, rods, bearings crankshaft, etc. These higher loads will increase wear and increase the chances of wear which results in decreased engine life.
After owning turbo cars, no thank you, I will stick to the reliability and longevity of the 1UR V8
1) the turbocharger itself adds an additional component that is working at extreme temperatures and speed. These add another component that can fail.
2) The increased power output of turbo engines places higher stresses and loads on internal engine components; pistons, rods, bearings crankshaft, etc. These higher loads will increase wear and increase the chances of wear which results in decreased engine life.
After owning turbo cars, no thank you, I will stick to the reliability and longevity of the 1UR V8
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04-29-22, 08:47 AM
#252
Don’t bother doing anything to the exhaust past the headers. The GX is a big ‘ole resonance chamber and it’ll drone drone drone. Focus on more important things. [/QUOTE]
Copy that! The dual exhaust comment was a wishful thinking on the 3rd gen. I’m not planning on doing any exhaust modification.
[/QUOTE]Copy that! The dual exhaust comment was a wishful thinking on the 3rd gen. I’m not planning on doing any exhaust modification.
04-29-22, 10:08 AM
#253
Maybe the instantaneous torque? Last winter there were two or three times where I switched to gas only to get a bit more traction when leaving a stop. This is the only negative we've experienced & was easily overcome.
04-29-22, 11:49 AM
#254
I'm genuinely curious about why the winters have an impact on PHEV's. We live at 9,500ft in Colorado so experience cold & snow. We have a PHEV Wrangler and like it so far. I'm not one who tries to make folks agree with my decisions, but I am curious about the negatives relating to weather in your mind.
Maybe the instantaneous torque? Last winter there were two or three times where I switched to gas only to get a bit more traction when leaving a stop. This is the only negative we've experienced & was easily overcome.
Maybe the instantaneous torque? Last winter there were two or three times where I switched to gas only to get a bit more traction when leaving a stop. This is the only negative we've experienced & was easily overcome.
04-29-22, 02:14 PM
#255
I'm genuinely curious about why the winters have an impact on PHEV's. We live at 9,500ft in Colorado so experience cold & snow. We have a PHEV Wrangler and like it so far. I'm not one who tries to make folks agree with my decisions, but I am curious about the negatives relating to weather in your mind.
Maybe the instantaneous torque? Last winter there were two or three times where I switched to gas only to get a bit more traction when leaving a stop. This is the only negative we've experienced & was easily overcome.
Maybe the instantaneous torque? Last winter there were two or three times where I switched to gas only to get a bit more traction when leaving a stop. This is the only negative we've experienced & was easily overcome.
I also don't want to be sitting on top of a 1500lb lithium "bomb" while driving down the road. Lithium fires are nasty and a new form of battery needs to be developed before I will trust any PHEV/EV/Hybrid.