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Old May 11, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by trebien
Geez... here we go again.

Please, I beg you, explain to me how to set the "toe-in" of the rear wheels of the GX.

well i'm no mechanic.. but it would likely be done the same way as front. Listen i just got new wheels on my car from a tire expert shop. and was told they would be doing 4 wheel alignment (Which was complementary since i was buyin the whole package from them).. they did the alignment and i had no idea what they did.. 2 or 4? after goin through this thread.. i called them back and asked them the theory behind Solid axel mystery and was told it doesn't matter.. there r no camburs in the back but the tire layout can always be aligned.. which is the actual alignment of the tire itself and not what the tire is attached to? coz that has no scope of adjustment.. but the tire can be aligned pretty much like its done on the front.
And for your info.. even lexus Dealership here. (don valley lexus) confirms doing 4 wheel alignment on GX so i don't know why its hard for you to understand.
Old May 13, 2006 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sayadil
well i'm no mechanic.. but it would likely be done the same way as front.
No, it wouldn't. Completely different suspension designs. Look under you car.

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which is the actual alignment of the tire itself and not what the tire is attached to? coz that has no scope of adjustment.. but the tire can be aligned pretty much like its done on the front.
Oh, I see. They actually align just the tire... not the wheel or the axle. So I guess they bend the tire on the wheel to make it point straight... Or maybe they get a welder, break the rear axle, and then re-weld the rear axle back together at the right angle for the alignment. That would make sense.

Look - you can't change the angles of the rear wheels. Period.

I give up.
Old May 13, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by trebien
No, it wouldn't. Completely different suspension designs. Look under you car.



Oh, I see. They actually align just the tire... not the wheel or the axle. So I guess they bend the tire on the wheel to make it point straight... Or maybe they get a welder, break the rear axle, and then re-weld the rear axle back together at the right angle for the alignment. That would make sense.

Look - you can't change the angles of the rear wheels. Period.

I give up.
front suspension is mostly different then rear..even on my landcruiser and that goes for 4wheel alignment as well
... and why u confusing toe with cambur adjustment... why would they need to align or break axles... they said tires.. why dont u call ur local lexus dealership and whine,,
Old May 13, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sayadil
front suspension is mostly different then rear..even on my landcruiser and that goes for 4wheel alignment as well
... and why u confusing toe with cambur adjustment... why would they need to align or break axles... they said tires.. why dont u call ur local lexus dealership and whine,,
Dude - I'm not whining. I'm trying to actually help you and educate you. I see that's a lost cause, since you want to continue to argue about something that you know nothing about.

Take care.
Old May 13, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trebien
Dude - I'm not whining. I'm trying to actually help you and educate you. I see that's a lost cause, since you want to continue to argue about something that you know nothing about.

Take care.
well i chose to rather get educated from tire expert shops or my dealership then you.. u obviously are no expert. and just coz the rear suspension is solid axle.. doesn't mean there's no scope of adjustments at all. your making it sound like its just like a cart with fixed wheel assembly with practically no settings and like it can never get outta alignment .. bottomline like i said.. i trust the people who built these cars and shops which do alignments everyday then a person who has no idea..
i suggest u call up any local tire expert and ask them those witty senseless questions.. (like " do they break axles" ? )
Old May 14, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Trebein and Sayadil,

Let's try to keep discussion civil amongst CL brothers and sisters - we can disagree but still show respect to each other.
Old May 14, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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I feel as if I am being civil... I have no anger towards this guy, and am simply trying to educate him. I am not name calling or making disparaging remarks towards him.

For reference, I worked in the performance industry, modifying and building 600+ HP race cars. I attended college for aerospace engineering. I'll take my "experience" over your "heresay" anyday. All you have at this point is "heresay" from what others are telling you, and overlaying it with your lack of knowledge to try to create an arguement.

I am done with this thread - there is no point to continue. I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings. However, I WOULD still appreciate a response if you can explain how to adjust the "toe-in" of the rear wheels. Thanks.
Old May 14, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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I don't know who trebien is,but he's right and sayadil is wrong.

There are no adjustable alignment angles on a GX470's rear suspension. If any measurements are out of spec,it's indicative that something is damaged (bent control arms for example). Although only the front suspension angles are adjusted,measurements are still done to the rear suspension for checking thrust angle and damage.

Tire Rack has a pretty good article on wheel alignment,look under Tech Center in the Shopping Tools menu.
Old May 14, 2006 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LexusTech
I don't know who trebien is,but he's right and sayadil is wrong.

There are no adjustable alignment angles on a GX470's rear suspension. If any measurements are out of spec,it's indicative that something is damaged (bent control arms for example). Although only the front suspension angles are adjusted,measurements are still done to the rear suspension for checking thrust angle and damage.

Tire Rack has a pretty good article on wheel alignment,look under Tech Center in the Shopping Tools menu.
Ok well its not a question of me being wrong or right... coz what i'm saying is what i've been told by my dealership and tire shop.. so basically you guys should be saying that the dealership as well a proffesional tire shop is wrong...
My responce is/was based on what i've been told by to people who r experts in this area. who do this for living? so just becoz someone tells me he has all these degrees and experience doesn't really mean much. i mean i could list all accomplishments under the sun here...
everyone can chose who to believe and my choice stays my dealer who's been doing excellent job with my car. I have no problems with trebien or anyone else on this site. I respect people's opinion. this forum is meant for discussions... and passing on knowlege that you get from other people who are expert in fixing cars... not everyone here has a degree in order to... not be talking based on hearsay... like i said earlier.. i'm no mechanic.. like most people on this forum..and most stuff that is typed here... is based on personal experience with the car n the problems and the dealerships... not on our proffesional expertise.
hope that explains.. and i apologize if my words have offended anyone. it wasn't intentional.
Old May 14, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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OK GUYS
Finally got off the phone from my tire shop techinician.. his name is peter who works for superior tire canada.. can be contacted through www.superiortire.ca
this is an article from the website www.familycar.com explained by peter.
There are two kinds of 4 wheel alignments...
Four Wheel Alignments
There are two main types of 4-wheel alignments. In each case, the technician will place an instrument on all four wheels. In the first type the rear toe and tracking is checked, but all adjustments are made at the front wheels. This is done on vehicles that do not have adjustments on the rear. The second type is a full 4-wheel alignment where the adjustments are first made to true up the rear alignment, then the front is adjusted. A full 4-wheel alignment will cost more than the other type because there is more work involved.

GX needs the first kind of four wheel alignment not the second.. but it is definately 4 wheel not 2 wheel alignment.
Hope that explains.. anymore question should be either directed to www.familycar.com or peter.
Old May 14, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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LexusTech n Trebien.... I stand Corrected. I have confirmed it with my dealer service advisor "Cato" at Don Valley Lexus as well.. GX needs a 4 wheel alignment and the rear toe is adjusted through the front like peter explained, its not 2wheel alignment.
Old May 15, 2006 | 06:41 AM
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OK guys, I think everything that can be said about this topic has been said. I'm going to lock the thread.
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