View Poll Results: Tesla Model 3 Build Defects - Deal Breaker?
Yes
31
65.96%
No
11
23.40%
Maybe
5
10.64%
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Lexus Test Driver
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The Lucid Air seems like a car you may want to look at if it ever comes to market. Its definitely looks more luxurious vs. a Model S.
Also, in response to EV's being cheaper to fix, its absolutely true. The motor swap on Model 3 takes about 2-3 hours and the motor itself is much cheaper than a full ICE. The expensive part about the EV is the battery and replacement on those is dreadful (a pack will cost you ~$10k right now). Good thing mine has a 120k mile warranty. There are plenty of Teslas that do over 300k miles on original battery though so at least they are proven to be quite long-lived for the most part.
Also, in response to EV's being cheaper to fix, its absolutely true. The motor swap on Model 3 takes about 2-3 hours and the motor itself is much cheaper than a full ICE. The expensive part about the EV is the battery and replacement on those is dreadful (a pack will cost you ~$10k right now). Good thing mine has a 120k mile warranty. There are plenty of Teslas that do over 300k miles on original battery though so at least they are proven to be quite long-lived for the most part.
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Think about this... 5 years ago, the Model S had 270 miles of range. Today, it has 400 miles of range with next year's version having 500 miles of range but the ability to rapidly charge to 80% in about 15 minutes with the tabless design. Technology in EVs are improving much more rapidly than ICE as there is far more overhead for improvement. Just a matter of time now.
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Think about this... 5 years ago, the Model S had 270 miles of range. Today, it has 400 miles of range with next year's version having 500 miles of range but the ability to rapidly charge to 80% in about 15 minutes with the tabless design. Technology in EVs are improving much more rapidly than ICE as there is far more overhead for improvement. Just a matter of time now.
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That is not to excuse Tesla drive units failing, plus Tesla has terrible quality problems in general but let's not pretend it is cheap to fix a luxury petrol car.
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https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesl...sues-problems/
I don't think I have ever read Car & Driver state that a luxury long term car they were testing needed a whole new engine at 10K
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people buy it for the look of going green. Like how prius outsold camry hybrids. Buyers want to project that image. Cars that looked like hybrids outsold the hybrid cars that didnt look like one. Taken the looks of this car on its own it looks like a generic appliance when you remove all the branding behind it.
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My guess is that it costs money....eats into the cost of building the cars.....I don't even think Teslas have cooling seats..or sunroofs...or perforated leather...birds eye camera...even window washer stalks are missing? (so I heard)
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[deleted] there are other credible reasons to have an EV besides just no tailpipe-pollution. The lure of not having a radiator, coolant, fuel-tank, fuel-injectors, thermostat, water-pump, spark plugs, a conventional electrical system, engine-valves, piston-rings, a complex transmission, turbocharger, catalytic converter, muffler, and a bunch of other parts to wear, fail, go wrong, or having to service/replace is no doubt a powerful incentive, especially for people who drive mostly local short distances and have access to a charging-outlet. And, besides all that, not having engine noise or vibration.
I'm not saying that EVs are the ideal vehicles for everyone (they're not)...but I can understand at least some of the Tesla hype/cult and the lure of other EVs.
I'm still concerned about the prospects of the electrical grids becoming overloaded and failing (especially in California, where electric-grid problems are often a fact of life) when too many EV owners are all plugged in at once. A classic overload and grid-failure would accomplish what we spend so much time keep trying to prevent the terrorists and Cyber-warriors from doing.
I'm not saying that EVs are the ideal vehicles for everyone (they're not)...but I can understand at least some of the Tesla hype/cult and the lure of other EVs.
I'm still concerned about the prospects of the electrical grids becoming overloaded and failing (especially in California, where electric-grid problems are often a fact of life) when too many EV owners are all plugged in at once. A classic overload and grid-failure would accomplish what we spend so much time keep trying to prevent the terrorists and Cyber-warriors from doing.
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So you don't have to break eye contact with the road. The digital controls are slow to use and inaccurate unless you totally break attention to use them
speaking in generality, a HUD shows you your speed, navigation directions, just information only. There is not a a control interface in a HUD in a non tesla car. I can literally see my digital speed in my peripheral vision. Sounds like a tesla design issue to put all your eggs in one basket in a single screen thats not in front of the driver. They can put a smaller screen with basic instrumentation in front of the driver instead of resorting to a HUD.
How about the number somewhat obscuring something in the road in front of you? Sounds distracting to me
How about the number somewhat obscuring something in the road in front of you? Sounds distracting to me
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