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Old Apr 15, 2024 | 02:55 PM
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Thanks! Just ditch the Sienna and get a used S! 😁


Thanks! Honestly silver was not my first choice as my previous car (the GS400 was silver).

When buying used, your choices are limited and I didn't have the patience to wait for the dark gray that I wanted.
So, your car is around 8 years old now. The battery is either out of warranty or soon to be.

Do you plan to keep it much longer? What will you do if the battery dies and needs to be replaced? Does that concern you? Or is the car worth the risk of a huge repair bill?

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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 10:48 AM
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So, your car is around 8 years old now. The battery is either out of warranty or soon to be.

Do you plan to keep it much longer? What will you do if the battery dies and needs to be replaced? Does that concern you? Or is the car worth the risk of a huge repair bill?
Still on the fence on next steps. Considering getting an extended warranty from a third party.

I'm not too concerned about the car right now as it's been relatively reliable (although that doesn't necessarily mean it won't die soon) other than some small stuff (door handles, battery coolant valves etc.)

I will make a decision on the warranty extension in the next month or two. For now I plan to keep it another 2 years at least.
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 11:41 AM
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i don't view any car designs as 'timeless'. some age better than others though.

the model s to me looks like it was designed in the 90s or 00s (not that there's anything at all wrong with that!). it's certainly very good looking and actually looks like an ice sports sedan with the long hood. like something audi or bmw would have done (not surprising given the engineers involved!).

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Still on the fence on next steps. Considering getting an extended warranty from a third party.

I'm not too concerned about the car right now as it's been relatively reliable (although that doesn't necessarily mean it won't die soon) other than some small stuff (door handles, battery coolant valves etc.)

I will make a decision on the warranty extension in the next month or two. For now I plan to keep it another 2 years at least.
Yeah, the risk vs reward calculus gets pretty complicated at that 8 year mark. I thought prices for replacements packs would be down significantly by now, but that really hasn't happened.
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Yeah, the risk vs reward calculus gets pretty complicated at that 8 year mark. I thought prices for replacements packs would be down significantly by now, but that really hasn't happened.
There are plenty of third party Tesla repair shops that will repair or replace older Model S/X battery packs. A friend of mine bought a 2014 Model S with almost 200k for $40k, and had the battery pack repaired (they changed the bad cells) for $7500. With full warranty. That's just not true that the cost of battery packs hasn't come down



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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 01:31 PM
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There are plenty of third party Tesla repair shops that will repair or replace older Model S/X battery packs. A friend of mine bought a 2014 Model S with almost 200k for $40k, and had the battery pack repaired (they changed the bad cells) for $7500. With full warranty.
This unfortunately doesn't apply to me as there are no such shops in Canada right now and it doesn't make sense to ship the car to the US for this - warranty work would complicate this even more.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
There are plenty of third party Tesla repair shops that will repair or replace older Model S/X battery packs. A friend of mine bought a 2014 Model S with almost 200k for $40k, and had the battery pack repaired (they changed the bad cells) for $7500. With full warranty. That's just not true that the cost of battery packs hasn't come down



https://about.bnef.com/blog/lithium-...Wh%20in%202030.
Well, I've been hearing the same $15k to $20k price for model s battery packs for about the last 10 years now. That chart doesn't reflect what Tesla charges for them. And some of the third party fixes have been sketchy at best.
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Well, I've been hearing the same $15k to $20k price for model s battery packs for about the last 10 years now. That chart doesn't reflect what Tesla charges for them. And some of the third party fixes have been sketchy at best.
Imagine if your car has a blown engine. You take it to the dealership, and the engine is $7K. Than you take it to an independent mechanic, and it's $2K. Tesla service centers, like dealership's repair facilities, are there to make maximum profits and overcharge for every service. Just like I stopped taking my Toyotas and Lexus vehicles to dealerships for non warranty stuff, I wouldn't take my Tesla to a Tesla service center after the warranty is finished, although most likely I'll be on to my next car by that time.

If you take your vehicle to a sketchy shop, than you didn't do your due diligence, and that's your fault. My friend took his Model S to a shop that has a good reputation and lots of positive reviews. They repaired his battery pack, and fixed some other items, and 2 years later his Model S is still going strong.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i don't view any car designs as 'timeless'. some age better than others though.
"Age better than others" and "still looks good today" = "its design is timeless"

So it looked good back in 2012 and it still looks good in 2024 - so by definition it's good looks are timeless. 😁
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Imagine if your car has a blown engine. You take it to the dealership, and the engine is $7K. Than you take it to an independent mechanic, and it's $2K. Tesla service centers, like dealership's repair facilities, are there to make maximum profits and overcharge for every service. Just like I stopped taking my Toyotas and Lexus vehicles to dealerships for non warranty stuff, I wouldn't take my Tesla to a Tesla service center after the warranty is finished, although most likely I'll be on to my next car by that time.

If you take your vehicle to a sketchy shop, than you didn't do your due diligence, and that's your fault. My friend took his Model S to a shop that has a good reputation and lots of positive reviews. They repaired his battery pack, and fixed some other items, and 2 years later his Model S is still going strong.
I saw one of the shops on the S forum went out of business and screwed a bunch of people. From doing research some of the replacement batteries haven’t fared well. With that said, 8 years is a good warranty for a battery compared to the warranty on an engine. The only issue is there aren’t many 3rd party shops that can replace batteries and the ones that do you likely have to ship your car there.
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
I saw one of the shops on the S forum went out of business and screwed a bunch of people. From doing research some of the replacement batteries haven’t fared well. With that said, 8 years is a good warranty for a battery compared to the warranty on an engine. The only issue is there aren’t many 3rd party shops that can replace batteries and the ones that do you likely have to ship your car there.
The shop my friend used is in Southern California, he's in Northern California. They arranged shipping both ways, and the total cost included shipping. They repaired the battery and fixed the lower control arm and shipped it back, that was two years ago and the car runs great. They also gave him a warranty, not sure how long it is. But of course this California, where there are a ton of aging Model S and X
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have this place in my town... have heard good things.

https://www.electrifiedgarage.com
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have this place in my town... have heard good things.

https://www.electrifiedgarage.com
I think Florida has the second largest population of Tesla's, so makes a bunch of sense. Independent garages like this are going to pop up just like independent mechanic shops.

Other than warranty work, I've always taken my cars to independent mechanics for everything else. I don't see that changing with my BEV'S
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Tesla makes all their service manuals available for free, one example
https://service.tesla.com/docs/Model...eManual/en-us/
I don't know of any other auto maker doing this. They also give you maintenance guides and even tell you how to calibrate cameras.
https://www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-guides

This is stuff dealerships charge and arm and a leg for.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Imagine if your car has a blown engine. You take it to the dealership, and the engine is $7K. Than you take it to an independent mechanic, and it's $2K. Tesla service centers, like dealership's repair facilities, are there to make maximum profits and overcharge for every service. Just like I stopped taking my Toyotas and Lexus vehicles to dealerships for non warranty stuff, I wouldn't take my Tesla to a Tesla service center after the warranty is finished, although most likely I'll be on to my next car by that time.

If you take your vehicle to a sketchy shop, than you didn't do your due diligence, and that's your fault. My friend took his Model S to a shop that has a good reputation and lots of positive reviews. They repaired his battery pack, and fixed some other items, and 2 years later his Model S is still going strong.
When I say sketchy, I mean not just who might be doing it, but the entire process of a 3rd party replacing individual cells. I've seen mixed results with that on their forums. Wouldn't count on a 3rd party warranty either. All that seems more like a hackjob than a solid solution.
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