2023 Ioniq 5 SEL AWD
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That makes no sense lol. Those companies sell a small % of the cars sold in the US, the vast majority of cars are sold by dealers. I don't like dealers any more than the next guy, but thats just not accurate.
I realize that you are angry that you got screwed, but you gotta let this go. its not healthy to be this angry about something, and just because you got screwed doesn't mean that everybody and every dealership is crooked. I have had way more decent experiences at dealers than I have negative experiences and I have bought a lot of cars. You just have to educate yourself and be an advocate for yourself. Remember my posts about the recent experience I had buying the Pacifica? I am un-screwable, they can try whatever they want but its not going to work because I know how their games work.
Literally anything ever written about buying cars gives that advice.
Chock this up to a learning experience...then the money it cost you didn't go to waste.
I realize that you are angry that you got screwed, but you gotta let this go. its not healthy to be this angry about something, and just because you got screwed doesn't mean that everybody and every dealership is crooked. I have had way more decent experiences at dealers than I have negative experiences and I have bought a lot of cars. You just have to educate yourself and be an advocate for yourself. Remember my posts about the recent experience I had buying the Pacifica? I am un-screwable, they can try whatever they want but its not going to work because I know how their games work.
Literally anything ever written about buying cars gives that advice.
Chock this up to a learning experience...then the money it cost you didn't go to waste.
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Found the article:
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/ev...n-2022-profit/
EV Makers’ Direct Sales Estimated To Cost California Dealers Nearly $1 Billion In 2022 Profit
California's 1,303 franchised dealerships lost an average of $700,000 in gross profit, as EV brands' direct sales took a tollhttps://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/ev...n-2022-profit/
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Found the article:
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/ev...n-2022-profit/
EV Makers’ Direct Sales Estimated To Cost California Dealers Nearly $1 Billion In 2022 Profit
California's 1,303 franchised dealerships lost an average of $700,000 in gross profit, as EV brands' direct sales took a tollhttps://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/ev...n-2022-profit/
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When an EV comes out from one of the legacy automakers that can match a Tesla, I'll consider it. At this point, they are all "throwaways". I've driven a bunch of them so far, BMW i4 M30 and M50, and I'm about to test out an i7 next week, and possibly and Audi E-Tron RS GT. I'm not in the market for another at least 2 years, maybe things will change by then
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When an EV comes out from one of the legacy automakers that can match a Tesla, I'll consider it. At this point, they are all "throwaways". I've driven a bunch of them so far, BMW i4 M30 and M50, and I'm about to test out an i7 next week, and possibly and Audi E-Tron RS GT. I'm not in the market for another at least 2 years, maybe things will change by then
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I'm not discouraging anymore from buying an EV from a legacy automaker, in fact I encourage it. It makes me happy that people want to buy from other automakers. This is just my personal preference. And I own more EV'S than probably anyone on this forum, so I can't be accused of being bias... hopefully
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I was referring to the tech itself, which includes battery and motor management as well as constant OTA updates. No other automaker comes close. Anyway, it's a personal choice after spending time with numerous EV'S. As far as your choices, whatever makes you happy and meets your needs
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I was referring to the tech itself, which includes battery and motor management as well as constant OTA updates. No other automaker comes close. Anyway, it's a personal choice after spending time with numerous EV'S. As far as your choices, whatever makes you happy and meets your needs
In terms of Tesla never screwing anybody, how about the people that paid many tens of thousands of dollars more for their cars only to have Tesla dump the prices to where they are so upside down they can’t get out of their cars? Those people got screwed for way more money than you did. I know a guy with a Plaid he paid $150,000 for and he swears he will never buy another Tesla for that reason. I can control what I agree to with a dealer but I can’t control the manufacturer reducing their sales prices 30%.
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But what does that really do for me? You can’t update the feel and style of the car. Battery management? Seems to me that Tesla’s don’t hit their advertised ranges when legacy competitors exceed theirs.
In terms of Tesla never screwing anybody, how about the people that paid many tens of thousands of dollars more for their cars only to have Tesla dump the prices to where they are so upside down they can’t get out of their cars? Those people got screwed for way more money than you did. I know a guy with a Plaid he paid $150,000 for and he swears he will never buy another Tesla for that reason. I can control what I agree to with a dealer but I can’t control the manufacturer reducing their sales prices 30%.
In terms of Tesla never screwing anybody, how about the people that paid many tens of thousands of dollars more for their cars only to have Tesla dump the prices to where they are so upside down they can’t get out of their cars? Those people got screwed for way more money than you did. I know a guy with a Plaid he paid $150,000 for and he swears he will never buy another Tesla for that reason. I can control what I agree to with a dealer but I can’t control the manufacturer reducing their sales prices 30%.
Nobody is saying Tesla can't screw you. But at least you know exactly what you are going to pay before you click buy... to the penny. No upselling. And as far as price drops, that mainly hurt people who were flipping or were looking to trade up.
The Tesla price drops did sting the values on many cars (like my Polestar) but what can you do. Ultimately their price drops helped the consumer. I personally would not of bought a model Y had there not been one. The Long Range was nearly $70k otd last year. No way I would have paid that much
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You know what you’re going to pay but not what the car will be worth because you don’t know where Tesla will change the pricing.
There are benefits and challenges with both models, you can get screwed in different ways. What can you do? But a car from a carmaker that won’t do something like that. Lots of people bought them for way more…you can say you wouldn’t have bought one at that price but I wouldn’t have gotten screwed in the way you did here…so where does that leave us? You can get screwed with either purchase model.
As for updates changing the car, that doesn’t help if I just don’t like the design of the car. That to me is way more important than anything else. I have to like and want the car as it is designed. The topic of this thread, the Ioniq 5 I would much rather have this than a 3 or Y personally.
There are benefits and challenges with both models, you can get screwed in different ways. What can you do? But a car from a carmaker that won’t do something like that. Lots of people bought them for way more…you can say you wouldn’t have bought one at that price but I wouldn’t have gotten screwed in the way you did here…so where does that leave us? You can get screwed with either purchase model.
As for updates changing the car, that doesn’t help if I just don’t like the design of the car. That to me is way more important than anything else. I have to like and want the car as it is designed. The topic of this thread, the Ioniq 5 I would much rather have this than a 3 or Y personally.
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You know what you’re going to pay but not what the car will be worth because you don’t know where Tesla will change the pricing.
There are benefits and challenges with both models, you can get screwed in different ways. What can you do? But a car from a carmaker that won’t do something like that.
As for updates changing the car, that doesn’t help if I just don’t like the design of the car. That to me is way more important than anything else. I have to like and want the car as it is designed. The topic of this thread, the Ioniq 5 I would much rather have this than a 3 or Y personally.
There are benefits and challenges with both models, you can get screwed in different ways. What can you do? But a car from a carmaker that won’t do something like that.
As for updates changing the car, that doesn’t help if I just don’t like the design of the car. That to me is way more important than anything else. I have to like and want the car as it is designed. The topic of this thread, the Ioniq 5 I would much rather have this than a 3 or Y personally.