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They are both equally poor design decisions, with no real justification other than wanting to be different.
You'd have to think this is an opportunity for the team that developed the S3XY buttons etc to offer a stick-on stalk. Their buttons will already trigger the blinkers and select the shift mode.
Buying a 2 year old one isn't an issue, especially if you are willing to get a new car every few years.
I'm talking about those cars right at the end of their battery warranty. The average age of a car on the road in the US today is 12.5 years. I doubt hardly any of them have had a $15k or $20k repair, and I doubt most owners feel that is right around the corner for them. With an EV on it's original battery, you better expect it because it is definitely coming, regardless of miles.
When people in the used market go to buy a Camry and it's 10 years old, they look at the mileage. If they find one with low miles, even at the age, they feel very comfortable buying it. Wait until a few more people do that with an EV and get hit with a $15k repair bill for battery replacement. It will happen more and more as EVs age, and they will become throwaway unless battery prices come WAY down.
I'm not going to buy a 10 year old Camry, and I suspect you wouldn't either. No matter how many times you try to spin this, you and I both know the prices of batteries keep coming down as more EV'S hit the road. As far as the used car market, there will be plenty of ice vehicles for those who don't feel comfortable buying a used BEV
Gotta love it when someone without any experience of living with or owning an EV, let alone one from the current generation, tells you what's wrong with living with and owning an EV.
nio already solved the fear around battery failure or range degradation with battery swap stations - which can swap in 5 mins and already in production in China and being introduced into Euro.
Buying a 2 year old one isn't an issue, especially if you are willing to get a new car every few years.
I'm talking about those cars right at the end of their battery warranty. The average age of a car on the road in the US today is 12.5 years. I doubt hardly any of them have had a $15k or $20k repair, and I doubt most owners feel that is right around the corner for them. With an EV on it's original battery, you better expect it because it is definitely coming, regardless of miles.
When people in the used market go to buy a Camry and it's 10 years old, they look at the mileage. If they find one with low miles, even at the age, they feel very comfortable buying it. Wait until a few more people do that with an EV and get hit with a $15k repair bill for battery replacement. It will happen more and more as EVs age, and they will become throwaway unless battery prices come WAY down.
Let me give another solution to those who want a BEV, but are afraid of dying battery packs... Leasing. The deals are crazy right now for leasing. Even Tesla has some great leasing deals. In three years, the car is someone else's problem and the new gens will be out
Every single car of any type will fail. Nothing lasts forever.
I'm not saying anything does last forever.
But EVs and ICE cars are VERY different in how and when they fail and the cost associated with those failures. And that difference doesn't benefit EVs.
Let me give another solution to those who want a BEV, but are afraid of dying battery packs... Leasing. The deals are crazy right now for leasing. Even Tesla has some great leasing deals. In three years, the car is someone else's problem and the new gens will be out
Well, yeah. But did you miss the part where I said the average car on the road today is 12.5 years old? With high battery prices, where do EVs fit into that world?
If 10 year old Camrys where costing $15k to fix and it was something that everyone knows is going to happen, you wouldn't be able to give them away. After enough people get stung by used EVs battery replacement costs, the same thing will happen to EVs unless those battery prices drop a lot.
So not only did this 2018 Model S deliver well over 400,000 miles on its original battery, the car was mostly DC fast charged and with its life as a limo it was usually getting multiple fast charges per day - pretty much checking all the major "DO NOT DO THIS" boxes The video in the article is interesting, the owner shares some of his experiences.
I think we're well beyond the point where we need to treat concerns about battery longevity in any recent EV as anything other than FUD.
For the life of me I don’t understand it. Why people get so hung up on what method of propulsion a car has. For the long, long foreseeable future there will be plenty of ICE cars to buy for those who don’t want EVs. No clue why people get so hung up on this.
For the life of me I don’t understand it. Why people get so hung up on what method of propulsion a car has. For the long, long foreseeable future there will be plenty of ICE cars to buy for those who don’t want EVs. No clue why people get so hung up on this.
Me either. If I were purchasing a car tomorrow, it would be a MS Plaid. Ultra red. White seats. 19" wheels. Steering wheel instead of the yoke.
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