LOL those 80's - 2000 ES look exactly the same as Camry ones on the outside, just swap out the front grill and remove side molding and here is your Lexus LOL easy job for the "design" department, playing card solitaire all year long and when it time comes, open paint and replace grill and emblems boom new year car... I guess hahaha

 

Hondas seem to be noisy - not sure if it's the tires or just the sound insulation. My wife drove a CRV for about six months before we realized the huge mistake. Traded it quickly.

 

10 out of 10 people here who can afford annAccord chose the ES instead. Just the messenger.

 

And for more $$

 

The problem with comparing specs between a vehicle like the Accord vs ES is that on paper, the Accord seems to be a clear winner (for the price). The more difficult, yet very important aspects such as road noise, suspension comfort, fit and finish, rattles, engine noise, etc. are rarely measured in a quantitative manner that can be fairly compared.

Going back to my step-fathers Accord - he cross shopped with a few other vehicles including the Kia Optima and Hyundai Sonata. He said the Optima sounded like a tin can, both the doors closing and engine noise during heavy acceleration. And that the Sonata was very clunky and seemed to have a cheap interior (that's his feedback, not mine). But the Accord was very well put together, felt much more solid and had a smoother acceleration curve (love that Honda J-series....). So he went that route even though the Accord was more expensive. On paper, the Kia and Hyundai offered the same for a lower price but the subjective things are hard to measure.

 

The 2023 Accord's Side Impact 2.0 results just came in. It received a "Good" rating in this new extremely demanding side test, and got a rockstar structure rating of -23.5 which is absolutely outstanding for this class/size/weight of car in this very powerful test. Now there's something to measure.

You cannot compare yesterday's Accord to today's. Honda is building rockstar cars today, particularly newest gen models for 22/23+.

And this is coming from the biggest criticiser of Honda for the past 10-15 years (check my posts). i believe honda is back.

 

New C-Class (new generation 2023+) results in as well. C-Class did great too--but check it: Accord has a stronger body in side crashes than the C-Class. Well done!

 

Any ES owners here trading their cars for an Accord?

 

Sooner than trading for a Tesla.

 

Sorry did not mean to offend. It's just a comparison due to being a large/midsize four door sedan with 40+ mpg and similar/same interior and exterior dimensions. Also a safety comparison. New-gen car=superior safety usually.

 

Also since someone remarked, update: 2,600+ miles on the Tesla. What a dream ride. Always always looking for excuses to drive it.

Unlike the ES, no need to take apart the interior to insulate rattles, tape stuff, fix panel gaps, clear coat bubbling, crooked hood, crooked seats, crooked dash, momentary power loss in intersections (3x).

i'm not sure if i posted before but here ya go. 3 out of 4 doors corrected for +2mm shut gaps.

 

Nope nobody offended I don't think but I'm not sure if anyone cares either

 

Man, I hope you two are really good mates and just enjoy *****ing with each other

 

I was told legroom and crash test results were the most important. Traded my 300h for a U-Haul truck.

 

UHaul truck is actually very unsafe as it's basically the front cab of a ford F250/350 with added 10,000 lbs on the back. 50,000 lbs of furniture on top of it would end up smushing an already unsafe cab that's alone with no weight on it lol.