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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 04:44 PM
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I think they’ll offer an AWD ES in both gas and hybrid forms, regardless of the future of the GS.
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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 04:58 PM
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Like everyone else here, I have no idea whether there will be a GS in the future, but, considering that sedan sales, in general, have dramatically dropped in recent years, Lexus has to be considering whether it makes sense to continue to offer 4 different sedans. And, with the GS selling only about 6500 units per year and with less than 1/3 as many GSs being sold as were being sold just 4 or 5 years earlier, the GS would seem to be a candidate for being discontinued.

With the 4th Generation GS now in its 7th year of production, we will probably get a much better view of the future (or lack thereof) of the GS when we see whether, for the 2020 model year, there is a 5th Generation GS or any GS at all.
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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lesz
Like everyone else here, I have no idea whether there will be a GS in the future, but, considering that sedan sales, in general, have dramatically dropped in recent years, Lexus has to be considering whether it makes sense to continue to offer 4 different sedans. And, with the GS selling only about 6500 units per year and with less than 1/3 as many GSs being sold as were being sold just 4 or 5 years earlier, the GS would seem to be a candidate for being discontinued.

With the 4th Generation GS now in its 7th year of production, we will probably get a much better view of the future (or lack thereof) of the GS when we see whether, for the 2020 model year, there is a 5th Generation GS or any GS at all.
GS is likely toast.
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mikemu30
GS is likely toast.
I was told (by my salesman) without hesitation that the GS will be discontinued, and will be replaced by an AWD ES. Of course I was also told several years ago that the GX was also being discontinued, but that was on this forum. Mid sized sedans seem to struggle. The E Class Mercedes, 5 series BMW, the 6 series Audi all seem a little on the rare side. All are placed between "sportier smaller cars, and full size luxury models, and seem to have fewer qualities of either

I'm actually a little disappointed, but understand. In this neck of the woods, it's not common to see a GS.
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Woodrow

I'm actually a little disappointed, but understand. In this neck of the woods, it's not common to see a GS.
Lexus has 3 models that sell in large numbers. The RX is, by far, Lexus' best selling vehicle, and the NX and ES also sell in reasonably large numbers. Together, those 3 models accounted for over 70% of Lexus vehicles sold in the US in 2018.

In my non-urban area, I would guess that 90% or more of the Lexus vehicles that I see on the road are RXs. Of the rest, the majority are ESs, I will only occasionally see an NX or a GX, Very, very rarely, I'll see an IS or a GS, and I might see 1 or 2 LS or LX in an entire year.

Even with low sales numbers, Lexus is not likely to discontinue any of its flagship vehicles (LS, LX, and LC). But, with low sales, I'm confidently that Lexus frequently re-evaluates whether it makes economic sense to continue to build its other low selling models.

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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Woodrow
I was told by the dealer to expect that as an option for the 2020 model. Possibly as a replacement for GS.
Nope not a replacement Lexus confirmed this already GS isn't going anywhere.
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Nope not a replacement Lexus confirmed this already GS isn't going anywhere.
Where did you see this? Can you link something credible?
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bigblack06
Nope not a replacement Lexus confirmed this already GS isn't going anywhere.
I assume you're referring to this, which was discussed in a couple of the GS threads:

https://carbuzz.com/news/lexus-tells...he-gs-and-gs-f

While this part is encouraging...

"On GS, although it is a little older, it achieved our plan for the year and it seems to be holding up well considering its age,” Christ said. "It fits really well with our lineup and we continue to invest in it and keep it. We feel it’s an important part of our lineup and it continues to meet our expectations.”
...it kind of falls apart with this:
When pressed further regarding a GS successor, Christ made it pretty clear he wasn’t ready to talk about that: "We’ll be making the appropriate announcements at later and undecided date.”

Unfortunately, I don't see that as confirmation at all, but I suspect we'll know within the next year.
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JDR76
I assume you're referring to this, which was discussed in a couple of the GS threads:

https://carbuzz.com/news/lexus-tells...he-gs-and-gs-f

While this part is encouraging...



...it kind of falls apart with this:
Unfortunately, I don't see that as confirmation at all, but I suspect we'll know within the next year.
Yes, until there is a Generation 5 GS or until there is an official announcement that the GS has been discontinued, I'm not inclined to believe any of the supposed "inside information" that I hear from those who say that they are in the know.

In the fall of 2016, I had a conversation with the general manager at a Lexus dealer. He said that, just the day before, he had been at a training session for general managers at Lexus dealers and that, at the training session, he was told by the people from Lexus corporate who were conducting that seminar that the decision had been made to discontinue both the GS and the GX after the 2017 model year. Here we are now in the 2019 model year, and both of those vehicles are still in the Lexus lineup.

I won't be surprised if the GS is either continued or discontinued, but I won't believe with any degree of certainty that either is the case until it actually happens.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
I assume you're referring to this, which was discussed in a couple of the GS threads:

https://carbuzz.com/news/lexus-tells...he-gs-and-gs-f

While this part is encouraging...



...it kind of falls apart with this:
No it was an article on the release of the New supra and it was the head of Toyota I believe he basically was asked about the state of the GS and he stated there is no plan to get rid of the GS. I will try to find the article, but it brought some clarity to the GS line-up, as I think most of the dealerships have been speaking off of assumptions.
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bc6152

The unibody that Lexus is using right now on the 2019 ES 350 will be the same for the AWD version. This according to my Lexus sales person. Notice the middle hump in the rear compartment of my 2019... Not needed for FWD only vehicles.
a es300h awd won't have a rear drive shaft it will be electric motors driving the rear like my nx300hPhilip


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Old Sep 1, 2019 | 06:09 PM
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Has anyone heard anything about the possibility AWD for 2020? I can't find mention of it at the 2020 Lexus build site. You would think we would have heard about it by now if for 2020.
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