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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 10:53 AM
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Points taken. I never looked at it that way. But tell me, which way do you move the lever to go into park? Wait - you can't! It is a button not connected to lever movement.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Eagleboy99
Points taken. I never looked at it that way. But tell me, which way do you move the lever to go into park? Wait - you can't! It is a button not connected to lever movement.
Right. So they've changed that one thing, and everything else remains consistent. Or in the case of Reverse, becomes MORE consistent, because it's ALWAYS up, and not up in every case except when you're coming from Park.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagleboy99
The new design is simply bad human interface. It goes against the "muscle memory" of decades of auto design. Shifter history is littered with such bad designs. I really doubt it will last. It'll be the same as the floor key in my SAAB Turbo. A quaint memory.
That shifter design has been around since 2004 when it came out on the Prius, so 18 years..."its not gonna last" doesn't really make sense lol

You get used to it
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 02:10 PM
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That shifter design has been around since 2004 when it came out on the Prius, so 18 years..."its not gonna last" doesn't really make sense lol

You get used to it
43,000 Prius cars sold of 15 million. Yup - a real winner. It is niche buyers. And yes, I know I will get used to it, but that won't stop me from saying it is a dumb design. And dumb designs kill people. YMMV
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 02:12 PM
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Right. So they've changed that one thing, and everything else remains consistent. Or in the case of Reverse, becomes MORE consistent, because it's ALWAYS up, and not up in every case except when you're coming from Park.
Push to park when the rest of the shifting is slide? Inconsistent design. Why not make Reverse pushbuttoon? Sometimes overcomplicating things in the name of "progress" is illogical. But I will get used to it.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagleboy99
43,000 Prius cars sold of 15 million. Yup - a real winner. It is niche buyers. And yes, I know I will get used to it, but that won't stop me from saying it is a dumb design. And dumb designs kill people. YMMV
Are you joking? There were WAY more Priuses sold than that...they sold hundreds of thousands of Priuses a year in their hayday. Prius annual sales just in the US:




The design has been in millions of cars for almost 20 years. If it was going to kill people, it would have already.

You may not like the design, but it is not dangerous.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagleboy99
Push to park when the rest of the shifting is slide? Inconsistent design. Why not make Reverse pushbuttoon? Sometimes overcomplicating things in the name of "progress" is illogical. But I will get used to it.
Actually almost all "joystick" shifters have a separate button for park, its not unique at all. Again, these shifter designs have been around for 20 years at this point. Its not a big deal at all.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagleboy99
43,000 Prius cars sold of 15 million. Yup - a real winner. It is niche buyers. And yes, I know I will get used to it, but that won't stop me from saying it is a dumb design. And dumb designs kill people. YMMV
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Are you joking? There were WAY more Priuses sold than that...they sold hundreds of thousands of Priuses a year in their hayday. Prius annual sales just in the US:




The design has been in millions of cars for almost 20 years. If it was going to kill people, it would have already.

You may not like the design, but it is not dangerous.
I think there's 43k Priuses operating as ubers and taxis in my region alone. ​​​​​​​
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 05:53 PM
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At least! lol
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The design has been in millions of cars for almost 20 years. If it was going to kill people, it would have already.
Some people HAVE died from poorly-designed recent electronic shifters....perhaps the best known of them being actor Anton Yelchin in the last-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Some people HAVE died from poorly-designed recent electronic shifters....perhaps the best known of them being actor Anton Yelchin in the last-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Not this shifter we are talking about. We are talking about the Toyota/Lexus e-shifter that is now used in new Lexus products that originally debuted in the 2004 Prius. Find me a death associated with that shifter? Its impossible for what happened to Anton Yelchin to happen with this shifter, because when you open the door if its out of gear it goes into park. I had a Jeep just like his with that same shifter, and it lacked that safety protocol which would have saved his life. Jeep retired that shifter.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Not this shifter we are talking about. We are talking about the Toyota/Lexus e-shifter that is now used in new Lexus products that originally debuted in the 2004 Prius. Find me a death associated with that shifter? It's impossible for what happened to Anton Yelchin to happen with this shifter, because when you open the door if its out of gear it goes into park. I had a Jeep just like his with that same shifter, and it lacked that safety protocol which would have saved his life. Jeep retired that shifter.
Yes, I know that Jeep redesigned that shifter, but the point was that they were more or less forced to.

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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes, I know that Jeep redesigned that shifter, but the point was that they were more or lese forced to.
Because the shifter was dangerous. That doesn't mean all e-shifters are dangerous. That shifter design was totally different from this Toyota design. I know I've had a car with each one.

Even that shifter though, if it had defaulted to park when you got out he would have been fine.
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Old Jan 26, 2023 | 08:59 PM
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This is the most elegant and classiest set up I’ve ever seen by Toyota/Lexus.

I don’t trim the RX shifter looks bad. But why mess with success
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Old Jan 27, 2023 | 06:54 AM
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And I don't see how this shifter takes up less space...



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