no chance apart from pet projects. Also there are no technology from Mazda that Toyota wants. Toyota is not a fan of diesel or mild hybrids.

and Toyota would never put Mazda level interiors into their Toyotas, as that will eat into the Lexus line.

 

Thanks. Made some good points. I only asked because Toyota has definitely done some collaborations with Mazda, Toyota Yaris sedan (not sure the year) is a Mazda2. Vice versa..the new Mazda2 in some markets is the new Yaris complete with a hybrid set up. More recently the new manufacturing plant in the US is a Toyota/Mazda collaboration. IMO, I think the 3.0 Inline 6 might just show in some Toyota products…maybe the new 4R and Land Cruiser Prado

 

Toyota has already put a clearly-upgraded interior into the new Venza. IMO, it is better than the interior on some current Lexus products.

 

If you remember, Jill, the Mazda2 was also formerly sold as the Scion iA.

 

Toyota is still way behind best Mazda interiors. Mazda for example has Nappa leather seats, which I don't imagine Toyota would go down that route.

 

Eh, there is still more difference between Lexus and Mazda than Toyota and Mazda. They are semi upscale but not luxury tier unless you compare to really basic stuff like a stripped 5/C/Lincoln or something

 

From an interior standpoint, I wouldn’t be so sure. Base trim level Lexuses are pretty budget by luxury standards. This didn’t use to be the case but now it’s true.

I would rather be in a top trim in the new Mazda CX60 than a base trim Lexus NX.

 

Not sure what Nappa leather is or if it's the "real deal".

After having leather in my last few cars I can't go back to cloth seats, just feels and looks so cheap.

 

You can get Nappa leather seats in the last-gen Kia Optima, doesn't make it a luxury car interior.

Mazda interiors are nice for their class, but nowhere near a standard Lexus like the current ES. Though Lexus has been dropping the ball lately like on the NX and RZ.

 

Nappa is nice and the interiors are well made and well built. But Toyota interiors are better designed and are more contemporary. Mazda lacks touchscreens in the modern era Also, Mazda is WAY behind with their power trains. Forgetting Toyota still has V6 engines the used to also have V8s. Just look at the Highlander vs a CX-9, the Toyota Highlander is more powerful, tows more, better fuel economy. CX-9 makes 227hp despite having a larger I4 engines, if you 250HP you need to add premium fuel. Toyota is the leader in hybrids that is for sure.

 

I didn't know Mazda was in the power train business. haha J/K!

 

Yeah, that Toyota sure is stupid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/04/toyo...r-in-2021.html

 

Not surprised. ^^^ I have said this before, when the good time turn to rough times, a small but very important small segment of the population does the safe bet and switches to Toyota. They gain market share. They did this in 2008 despite overestimating the 2nd gen Tundra and Sequoia models. Right now, they have cheap MSRPs, and excellent fuel economy in the FWD models they make. Highest resales of any brand. Hybrids all over the place. That said, what other companies do are not wrong. GM can’t compete in the small segment of cars, so GM focusing on their money markets trucks. Hyundai does well too as they have even cheaper prices and not much on the top end to slow them down. Kudos to GM to can the Lacrosse and Impala when they did, they’d be selling nothing in that segment. And Toyota is looking sharp right now for not wasting money on the GS..those sales would be bad. Now, back to Mazda, without Toyota I seriously doubt they’d have opened a new manufacturing facility on USA shores in Alabama. American investment, jobs built with American labour.

 

Toyota is doing great and always will but their management of the Lexus brand turned something special when it started to now just being another Toyota trim.

Its not the lack of engineering, lack of resources or products but just pure mis-management. The LS500 debuted years ago with v6 turbo and 10speed - that powertrain has not been used in any other Lexus for years since. That is just one of many examples. Toyota board really doesn’t understand luxury market.

 

If there is a recession- GM and Ford will go bankrupt.
They have zero cheap cars to sell - just overpriced Suvs and EVs. I said from the beginning getting rid of affordable cars like Cruze and Fiesta was huge mistake.

Cant wait to see how ppl will be buying those $60k Mach Es with 10% rate for 84months!