The wagon is the pick. Toyota used to make good wagons.



Followed by Sports and Sedan Crown's. Crossover is a bit ugly.

 

The 2023 Crown wagon styling has made me dropped dead.

 

Looks like the Crown sedan is just an ICE converted version of the Mirai.

 

The hatchwagon thing is interesting, sedan is atrocious.

 

Kind of.. looks like Best Car's rumours of Crown expanding to multiple styles was correct. It looks like the Crown Sedan will continue on the RWD platform per the FR/Mirai-esque proportions... so not all hope is lost!

 

(moderator: these posts were moved from the thread on the Toyota Crown crossover thread - the only Crown brand model coming to the U.S. at this time)

I suggest this topic be closed or at least be renamed to Crown Cross, because there is a LOT to unwrap here. Toyota basically spun off an entirely new sub-brand under the Crown name (the same way Genesis did) and unveiled 4 brand new cars. They aren't variants of each other, each one is its own vehicle. Hence why you have two different crossovers, a sedan made from the RWD Mirai, and this weird Outback thing that we've been talking about so far in this thread.

This is actually pretty concerning news for Lexus, because out of the blue Toyota just unveiled a new luxury sub-brand that may very well cannibalize Lexus, if not at least taking away attention from Lexus product development in favor of growing the Crown brand. Maybe they want it to be their Buick, while Lexus is their Cadillac, but we all know how that worked out for GM...

 

Nah. The Lexus brand has nothing to worry about. The Crown is not a luxury sub-brand…it’s premium…it’s more of a model line up. So you are definitely wrong there.

 

I'm wrong even though you literally agreed with every word I wrote, okay lol.

The problem is that Lexus has very little to separate it from Toyota as a luxury brand given its current product lineup since they all share the same platforms and powertrains. Now you have Crown, which is effectively the same thing. Ironically, the Crown sedan is an ICE version of the Mirai, which is the remains of the cancelled 5th gen GS. So it is literally a Lexus wearing a Crown badge.

 

Toyota has always had a premium overlap with Lexus in the middle of part of the pricing structure.

 

And Crown is supposed to be more premium than Toyota. This is what I meant when I said Crown will cannibalize Lexus.

 

I don’t agree with you in any way. Toyota has always had premium products and pricing in the middle of the segment price points. This new American destined crown will be a little more money than a Venza/Avalon but less money than a NX. (Which went up in price). People who want a Toyota badge will have that option and if they want a Lexus they will have that option as well, but they have to pay a little more. No different than 4R/GX or Land Cruiser/LX or Highlander/RX or Avalon/ES.

 

Supposedly it'll be sold all across Asia where Lexus has less presence, Crown is a surprisingly well-known brand in China thanks to the previous sedans being sold there. They recently expanded the Crown lineup in China by rebagding the Highlander and Alphard, this would be the next step for more bespoke vehicles.

The fact that the Crown is even being introduced in the U.S. market is a surprise.

 

expanding their crown brand where it's already doing well seems like a good move. and the big hybrid push is maybe more effort to dampen the momentum of EVs.

 

Not sure the “haha’ as this was a nice discussion with you…The new Sequoia has a power train that has more power, and costs less MSRP $$$ money than the LX600 which lacks the hybrid pack. Back in the past my 04 4R had the identical 4.7/5speed as the LX470 at the time of purchase which was 2X the MSRP. Looking at the power train doesn’t alway tell the whole story. It was possible to buy a 5.7 Land Cruiser or a 5.7 Sequoia for less money than 4.6 GX460 or a Lexus LS460 back in 2008…it was even possible to buy a 4.6 Sequioa at that time too.

 

Not quite the same thing. LX600 is based on the Land Cruiser which is more expensive than the Sequoia, but there's nothing special about the NX in its assembly/mechanicals like a Land Cruiser/LX that warrants that premium over the Crown Cross. The Crown is also better than the NX in more than just the engine, it gets the same new multi-link rear suspension setup from the upcoming RX which the NX doesn't have. A better comparison point would have been between this new Crown and the ES, I have no doubt the new Crown with this powertrain will be just as expensive as the current ES, if not more. Even the Avalon before being cancelled overlapped in price with ES, and this is on a different level compared to the Avalon because of the new engine.

The 5.7L V8 is hard to compare since it seems to have been designed specifically for Toyota trucks and not sedans, and is more tailored for applications like towing, it isn't necessarily better than the 4.6L in the LS460.