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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 01:07 AM
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Hence why it's starting to get phased out with the RX.

Lexus admits oversized grilles a “turnoff” for customers

Lexus has admitted grilles too large for the vehicle they're fitted to can polarise, rather than attract buyers – but it's doubling down on, not waving goodbye to the 'spindle' grilles seen on its models over the last decade.

Speaking with Automotive News, Lexus global design chief Koichi Suga reportedly acknowledged US market research showing that oversized front grilles can, in the publication's words, be a "turnoff" for buyers, with a look Suga noted "many people mention ... looks like Darth Vader".

But rather than abandon its 'spindle' grille design and return to the more conservative look of early Lexus models, Suga says the company will find the "right balance" with a new design style known as the 'spindle body'.

Debuted on the RZ electric car and new RX large SUV, the 'spindle body' blends the grille in with the rest of the body – by blanking it out entirely on the RZ, or integrating a body-coloured 'overbite' insert on the RX.

"We want to maintain the spindle shape itself. But the spindle has always been based on functionality of what's happening under the hood," Suga told Automotive News.

Describing its new design language, Lexus says in its media materials: "Central to the new spindle body design are the carefully sculpted seamless grille and integrated headlamps that strengthen and evolve the signature design."
Lexus was among the first brands fitting enlarged front grilles to its models, rolling out the spindle grille across its range over the last decade – from the GS, CT and LS around 2012, and culminating in the new LX four-wheel-drive revealed last year.

However, Audi arguably pioneered the modern 'big grille' among luxury brands – excluding Rolls-Royce, Bentley and other hyper-luxury marques – with the early versions of its 'Singleframe' grille in the early 2000s.

In recent years, many other brands have followed – including, most controversially, BMW, which has received criticism for enlarging its trademark 'kidney' grilles in height, on the new M3, as well as width, on the flagship X7 SUV.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 01:22 AM
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There is nothing spindle going on with Lexus merchandise. A pretty good collection:

https://lexus.jp/magazine/collection.../2022ss_en.pdf



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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 01:33 AM
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The half-spindle was okay but then it got completely out of hand. Should have just left it as an option for those who signed up for the f-sport package. Obviously those people wanted flash and to be noticed by everyone.

Nice to see that they are finally admitting their mistake. Took long enough but it's still commendable.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 01:47 AM
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I still think it looks great on the LS/LC500
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 02:06 AM
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Here's the relevant bit from the paywalled Automotive News article that was referenced:

https://www.autonews.com/design/new-...ushers-new-era
Suga said the approach channels customer feedback, noting the mixed reviews given to previous iterations of the Lexus grille that compared it to everything from a Braun electric shaver to the tenacious teeth of the Predator from the science fiction film series.

"Many people mention it looks like Darth Vader," Suga said here on the sidelines of the unveiling of the overhauled RX midsize crossover.

U.S. market research, he said, showed that when the spindle grille is too big, it's a turnoff.

"The new spindle execution is based on this learning," he said. "We need the right balance."
Big question mark why the LX and RX still have a huge grille if their "market research" found out most of their consumers don't like it.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Big question mark why the LX and RX still have a huge grille if their "market research" found out most of their consumers don't like it.
the LX grille is MUCH bigger and in your face than the new RX one. i think the LX grille looks clown stupid.
the RX grille would be ok to me if it didn't have the neanderthal brow.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 04:04 AM
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Saw a pic of the new RX in black. Seems like dark colors tone down the grill where the overbite is not noticeable. Will have to wait and see it in person.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 703
There is nothing spindle going on with Lexus merchandise. A pretty good collection:

https://lexus.jp/magazine/collection.../2022ss_en.pdf







These are the two items I would get
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jer
Saw a pic of the new RX in black. Seems like dark colors tone down the grill where the overbite is not noticeable. Will have to wait and see it in person.
That's what I noticed too.
Got a pic of a dark gray and Matador red to show off in the Gen 2 RX forum later this week and now wishing I grabbed a pic of the Pearl White too for comparison.

To me the darker colors are looking "not so bad" but as colors get lighter towards white it starts looking obnoxious IMHO.

Took these yesterday at the local Lexus dealer- 2022 RX350, ya'll be the judge.







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I think the RX looks great in the wild when viewed with other cars. At the dealer the front end doesn't look as good.

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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I think the RX looks great in the wild when viewed with other cars. At the dealer the front end doesn't look as good.
Haha, yeah I guess the parking lot is not exactly a catalog pic showing the beauty of the vehicle that's for sure!

But I did notice how the grill really stands out so much more on lighter colors, especially White.
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Kinda looks like a tall car to me?
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 05:20 AM
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I really don't mind the spindle grille and they've definitely worked them into the designs much better than the earlier versions. For example, the LC and LS look great. I'd rather have the spindle grille than the BMW bucktooth/pig nose grille.
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Kinda looks like a tall car to me?
Darn good question! and I wish I thought to back in my old 2004 RX330 and take a shot side by side but I wouldn't have been able to do it anyway cuz now that I'm thinking about it there were no empty parking spots and the new cars were lined up like dominos.

I haven't compared the specs and I may be wrong but it looks very similar to the Gen 2 in size but if not it could be an optical illusion on me.
Looks like hood is maybe a little higher but side windows look shorter but really need a side by side for comparison.

Almost appears like they are similar overall height but the newer style grill takes up all the "real estate" in the front. lol

Sorry to go off trac a little to OP, that all I have on that so keeing it short. my apologies.

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Lexus admits Spindle Grille was a "turnoff" for customers


Albert himself couldn't have said it better.


Acura made the same mistake......they persisted with the parrot-beak grilles too long, but finally admitted it.
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