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Old May 26, 2022 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by UZ214
it’s not the fear of breaking down, I just don’t want the headache and If can reduce the risk why not. I drive a lot about 20k per year per car and usually have 3 to 4 cars in house. Not trying to buy garage queens. All Lexus I have I have owned gave me 0 issues. I am spoiled my 1st gs400 gave me almost 200k trouble free miles. 135
k on ls430 about 150k on ls460 , 65k on Isf and over 400k between 3 lx, not even counting on rx330 rx 350 s I have owned…rx350.sits at almost 200k ..looks and drives brand new..had a 2003 4Runner my bro in law took it ove 350k still running all the above cars were traded sold running perfect
other cars that were let downs which I had at some point mdx, 540i, x5 and maxima

So if I am buying a 911 it will be used a lot, once the kids get older who knows
The reason "why not" is that you live your life as a car enthusiast not having experienced cars that you want to experience and would love. None of the cars you mention are going to be problematic as daily drivers. I drive 20k miles a year too, and my S560 has been flawless, more flawless than my Lexuses even. Its such a fulfilling car to get in and drive every day and I'm so glad I broke loose and tried something new.

If all you care about is reliability than why bother, but if you truly want one of those cars you mentioned, denying it to yourself out of fear of reliability is just silly. Lexus is not the only car that will give you a flawless experience, and even if there are a few flaws the better car is worth it.

Bringing it back to the LC, its one of the only Lexus cars right now (really, the only one) that gives you an excellent unique vehicle experience AND Lexus reliability. All the other ones though? Not worth the tradeoff.
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Old May 26, 2022 | 07:47 AM
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The reason "why not" is that you live your life as a car enthusiast not having experienced cars that you want to experience and would love. None of the cars you mention are going to be problematic as daily drivers. I drive 20k miles a year too, and my S560 has been flawless, more flawless than my Lexuses even. Its such a fulfilling car to get in and drive every day and I'm so glad I broke loose and tried something new.
If all you care about is reliability than why bother, but if you truly want one of those cars you mentioned, denying it to yourself out of fear of reliability is just silly. Lexus is not the only car that will give you a flawless experience, and even if there are a few flaws the better car is worth it.
Bringing it back to the LC, its one of the only Lexus cars right now (really, the only one) that gives you an excellent unique vehicle experience AND Lexus reliability. All the other ones though? Not worth the tradeoff.
So true... the grass sometimes indeed is greener on the other side. But the problem is one may not be able to find a similar car like the LC on the other side.

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Old May 26, 2022 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by UZ214
we old timers get carried away, but what did you decide anyway?


Haven't really decided. I think I'll just hang tight for now. I still really love the GS, and as much fun as something else would be, I'm also struggling with the thought of parting with it. I'll just keep an eye on listings and if something irresistible pops up, I can jump on it.
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Old May 26, 2022 | 09:51 AM
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There's really only one car that I think will occupy the exact same niche as the LC, but it being a Maserati won't be as reliable. I don't think it'll leave you stranded but the possibility of electrical glitches are boundless. I had a Gran Turismo for 4 years and nothing mechanically went wrong, but it did have finicky parking sensors and a couple of other minor sensor-related issues. Better than the Range Rovers but not a Lexus.

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Old May 26, 2022 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
So true... the grass sometimes indeed is greener on the other side. But the problem is one may not be able to find a similar car like the LC on the other side.
Right, and thats what Lexus needs, more cars that you can't find a similar car on the other side...
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LC500 vs IS500. That V8 sure sounds mean!


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Old May 27, 2022 | 09:32 AM
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I am fan for masarati , not much of the interior thought. Test drove maserati ghibli sounded awesome ; one of very few cars that sounds amazing from factory.
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There's really only one car that I think will occupy the exact same niche as the LC, but it being a Maserati won't be as reliable. I don't think it'll leave you stranded but the possibility of electrical glitches are boundless. I had a Gran Turismo for 4 years and nothing mechanically went wrong, but it did have finicky parking sensors and a couple of other minor sensor-related issues. Better than the Range Rovers but not a Lexus.

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Old May 27, 2022 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Not sure what the stats are. But, in my experience. My oldest vehicles the 04 4R had never lost a day off the road until the 16th year. Was mechanically perfect for 15 years. My Matrix has never been off the road for a breakdown since 09. (Two issues in its life, one was a transmission sensor and the other was failing rear hatch struts). To me, that is reliability. Never breaking down.
as the financial disclaimer says... past performance is not indicative of future results.

and almost all people don't keep cars 16 years, or even 10. i also assume you don't put many miles on any of your vehicles.

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if you're a car enthusiast and there are cars that you want to experience, not experiencing them because of reliability fears is just silly, especially when those vehicles are rated "average" or "above average".
it may be 'silly' to not experience if one is talking about purchasing or leasing new vehicles but many enthusiasts purchase primarily used cars and if one doesn't take reliability and repair cost into the equation then that could be 'really silly'. i wouldn't touch a 5 year old bmw with a 10 foot pole, no matter how great it might have been new.

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Old May 27, 2022 | 03:55 PM
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Even used, they’re typically CPO with great warranties.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
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and almost all people don't keep cars 16 years, or even 10. i also assume you don't put many miles on any of your vehicles.
The current average car age is 12 years and some change, higher than ever. Not to get into this again, but perhaps one reason of that is because many motorists don't like all this new high tech stuff either? I quoted that article years ago where one of the magazines drove a 1989 Oldsmobile and basically said it drove better than cars with downsized engines and 10 gears. The 3800 is the epitome of ancient, but worked, and delivered 30MPG highway. Again, tried and true. People aren't dumping their SUVs and trucks like in 2008, that's for sure, even with the record gas prices.
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What do you think of the single tone interior?
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Old May 27, 2022 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
The current average car age is 12 years and some change, higher than ever. Not to get into this again, but perhaps one reason of that is because many motorists don't like all this new high tech stuff either? I quoted that article years ago where one of the magazines drove a 1989 Oldsmobile and basically said it drove better than cars with downsized engines and 10 gears. The 3800 is the epitome of ancient, but worked, and delivered 30MPG highway. Again, tried and true. People aren't dumping their SUVs and trucks like in 2008, that's for sure, even with the record gas prices.
Just because the average car age is 12 years doesnt mean the average owner buys a car new and keeps it for 12 years. Thats the average vehicle age on the road.

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What do you think of the single tone interior?
I love that interior, personally.
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Old May 27, 2022 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
as the financial disclaimer says... past performance is not indicative of future results.

and almost all people don't keep cars 16 years, or even 10. i also assume you don't put many miles on any of your vehicles.
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Ok, let’s not gaslight this debate. Thought it was put to bed on here ages ago. Tons of city driving is worse than lots of highway miles. My 04 has 196,000km. It average 11000km a year. But last 2-3 years it’s more like 5k. Lots goes wrong now.

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Old May 27, 2022 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The LC is an awesome product, and its the only Lexus right now I would consider. The only car where I feel like there really is something special being offered that you're not getting in a competitors car.
IMHO, Toyota should have waited and done a less-expensive/decontented version of the LC as the new Supra, instead of a Toyota/BMW mix where, although competent as a sports car, reliability may have been compromised.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Just because the average car age is 12 years doesnt mean the average owner buys a car new and keeps it for 12 years. Thats the average vehicle age on the road.
Right, but in any case this is a record number IIRC.

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I love that interior, personally.
It's the same tan as usual, right? I"m not seeing a difference. Without question that's the interior color I'd pick. Probably over black or silver paint.
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