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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
yeah according to this article you MIGHT make 10% new cars BEVs by 2025. and will only be by crushing regulations against ICE vehicles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwin...e-china-lurks/
i think you might have reading comprehension problem:

Western Europe includes the big markets of Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Spain.
​​​​​​​BEV sales more than doubled in 2020 to just under 750,000 and jumped again this year with sales of 1,143,000, according to Schmidt Automotive Research, representing a market share of 10.3%. The pace of growth will slow though with market share rising to 12.0% in 2022, 13.0% in 2023 and 15.0% in 2024, before jumping 5 points to 20.0% in 2025 and an estimated total of 2,860,000.
​​​​​​​Schmidt Automotive reckons BEV sales will gradually accelerate again and reach a market share of 60.0% by 2030, or 8.4 million vehicles.
x2 the numbers if you want PHEVs includes.

For 2020, that was 4x more BEVs sold than in USA. In Germany, marketshare in December was 16% for BEVs, over >30% if you include PHEVs... that is 10x more than USA. But even whole Europe, with many countries with low EV sales - BEV+PHEV now 26% market in November


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But sure, "just".
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i think you might have reading comprehension problem:
i fixed my typo.

i really don't care how far anyone thinks europe is 'ahead' of the u.s.

we'll see how well these projections work out. remember paris climate agreement? kyoto?
https://www.science.org/content/arti...old-it-working

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Old Jan 9, 2022 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i fixed my typo.

i really don't care how far anyone thinks europe is 'ahead' of the u.s.

we'll see how well these projections work out. remember paris climate agreement? kyoto?
https://www.science.org/content/arti...old-it-working
it is virtue to admit you were wrong, but I struggle with that myself as well ))

However, what I am trying to say is that the mind-shift happened already, in many countries in Europe, people are massively buying EVs today and it might be hard to understand from US perspective. For me, with that happening and seeing vast number of EVs even in Eastern Europe, it is easy to understand why Lexus is going all electric by 2030, why BMW/MB/Audi are spitting out tens of EVs every day it seems.

It is not a projection anymore. Forget Kyoto, climate change agreements and all that crap. Shift happened in Europe already, no ifs, buts, etc.
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 10:03 AM
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Volkswagen falls further behind Tesla in the race to electric

London (CNN Business)Volkswagen is falling further behind Tesla in the race to dominate the market for electric cars.

Europe's largest carmaker said Wednesday that it delivered 452,900 battery electric cars to customers in 2021, nearly double its total from the previous year. But that wasn't enough to keep pace with Tesla, which delivered over 936,000 vehicles in 2021.
In total, Tesla (TSLA) boosted its deliveries last year by roughly 436,600 compared to an increase of 220,900 for the Volkswagen Group (VLKAF), which owns brands including Audi, Porsche and Skoda.The German company has committed to spending more than $100 billion over the next five years to electrify its fleet and mount a challenge to Tesla. Volkswagen is already the top seller of electric cars in Europe, and it expects 25% of the vehicles it sells globally to be electric by 2026.

It has begun rolling out a series of new models, including the ID.4 electric SUV, but progress last year was hampered by supply chain issues, Volkswagen Group said."2021 was very challenging due to global semiconductor shortages, but we nevertheless consistently implemented our clear future course," sales boss Christian Dahlheim said in a statement. "The doubling of our battery-electric volumes and the high demand for all our vehicles clearly show that we are on the right track."
Volkswagen employees in a training area for the production of electric cars in Emden, Germany.
Tesla had its own chip shortage issues during the year but was able to manage them. Elon Musk's companyposted record deliveries in final three months of 2021 of 308,600 vehicles, easily surpassing Wall Street estimates.
"Taking a step back, with the chip shortage a major overhang on the auto space and logistical issues globally these [Tesla] delivery numbers were jaw dropping," Dan Ives, an analyst for Wedbush Securities, said earlier this month.
Tesla has forecast that with new factories near Austin, Texas, and Berlin starting full-scale production in 2022, it should have annual global sales growth of 50% or better for at least the next few years."While there are many competitors in the EV space, Tesla continues to dominate market share as evidenced again this quarter while battling through the chip shortage," Ives said.
— Chris Isidore contributed reporting.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/busin...ars/index.html
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jwong77

Volkswagen falls further behind Tesla in the race to electric



Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/busin...ars/index.html
Ummm 100% growth is impressive any way you slice it. If VW grows at the same or similar rate, it will overtake Tesla in 2 to 3 yrs? I wonder what the writer is smoking?
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by situman
Ummm 100% growth is impressive any way you slice it. If VW grows at the same or similar rate, it will overtake Tesla in 2 to 3 yrs? I wonder what the writer is smoking?
I think the author is just referring to the distance between the companies increasing. That said, the author should report the profits of each company as well….VW makes some big money off their gas stuff. VW makes the ID4 on the same assembly line as a gas car. Very well thought out TBH
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I think the author is just referring to the distance between the companies increasing. That said, the author should report the profits of each company as well….VW makes some big money off their gas stuff. VW makes the ID4 on the same assembly line as a gas car. Very well thought out TBH
Perhaps, but when the author goes and say its still not enough to catch Tesla, its like no ***** sherlock. Why make it sound like Tesla is untouchable.
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by situman
Ummm 100% growth is impressive any way you slice it. If VW grows at the same or similar rate, it will overtake Tesla in 2 to 3 yrs? I wonder what the writer is smoking?
Check your math again. Look at Tesla sales growth from when the S was first for sale to now.
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Old Jan 15, 2022 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Check your math again. Look at Tesla sales growth from when the S was first for sale to now.
ITs ok. I have better things to do.
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