What went wrong with the Camaro?
But yes, loaded camaro did beat tesla s plaid at the ring
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This. And the Z06? Forget about it. It was announced two weeks ago, and if you don't already have a reservation, getting on a dealer list now will put you so far back in line that production of the entire C8 generation will end before you get your car.
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What went wrong with the Camaro is the same thing that went wrong with the American big-three since the 70's. They became bloated and slow to react to changing markets. While the Japanese manufacturers were perfecting smaller, more efficient, higher performing, more reliable vehicles, the big-three were asleep at the wheel. Even with the advantage the big-three enjoyed resulting from tariffs during the Japanese import invasion, they still couldn't compete. It's shameful, really! American ingenuity created the automobile age, then, the arrogance of the big-three's executive management flushed it all away (America did something similar with the global goodwill we received after 9-11...through our leaders' arrogance, we flushed it all away).
BTW...I don't enjoy criticizing American automobiles and my own country. I do it out of love. If we can't understand where or how we went wrong, we can't begin to correct course. Tesla is my last hope of ever buying American again (unless one of the big-three pulls the proverbial "rabbit out of the hat").
BTW...I don't enjoy criticizing American automobiles and my own country. I do it out of love. If we can't understand where or how we went wrong, we can't begin to correct course. Tesla is my last hope of ever buying American again (unless one of the big-three pulls the proverbial "rabbit out of the hat").
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The Camaro is just a couple of steps from greatness. The alpha platform that it's riding on is absolutely amazing. Look at the new Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Blackwings. Look at the ring times for the ZL1 1LE. The chassis handles incredibly well--and that's the expensive part that's hard to engineer. They've nailed the tricky bit. The LT1 engine is powerful and as reliable as they come; the LT4 is an absolute monster, so they've got engines covered. Its Tremec 6-speed is one of the best in the business. Where it falls down is in the styling and some of the materials. That's comparatively cheaper to fix in a redesign.
If GM wants to fix the issues with the Camaro, they absolutely could have a car that beats the Mustang on every level. It's already far superior mechanically. They just need a little better execution on the rest.
If GM wants to fix the issues with the Camaro, they absolutely could have a car that beats the Mustang on every level. It's already far superior mechanically. They just need a little better execution on the rest.
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If they had gone with the 70's body style for the retro-modern reincarnation, that would have helped. Nothing wrong with the late 60s Camaro but doing a modern take on a square body is tough. Mustang has got it right, while Dodge and its big beef square styling stuck to muscle-nostalgia. Chrysler didn't want to make it anything more than it ever was.
Chevy OTH is trying to sell you on sports car rather than old school memories.
The age group for any of these is getting older by the minute. Maybe all those Camaro buyers can't take a low greenhouse and a stiff ride anymore.
Chevy OTH is trying to sell you on sports car rather than old school memories.
The age group for any of these is getting older by the minute. Maybe all those Camaro buyers can't take a low greenhouse and a stiff ride anymore.
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What went wrong with the Camaro is the same thing that went wrong with the American big-three since the 70's. They became bloated and slow to react to changing markets. While the Japanese manufacturers were perfecting smaller, more efficient, higher performing, more reliable vehicles, the big-three were asleep at the wheel.
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the current leadership at gm is better today. They canned those poorly selling sedans and ditched Opel .,.. pulled out manufacturing in some markets and poured their resources into EV development….and self driving tech. They currently lead the industry with their self driving Super Cruise by a country mile….and they are able to charge $$$ for it too. Their new EV stuff will be very popular
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, as I recall, you supported their actions a the time.
Not unexpected for GM to have those recalls. The battery recalls for GM are not as bad as Hyundai engine recalls for fire
Regardless of make, batteries can (and sometimes do) catch fire just as easy as engines. And, in Hyundai's case, the fires were started by electrical circuits, not defects with the engines themselves.
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