2023 Toyota Sequoia
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Several reasons....although some posters have disagreed with me in the past on the reasons. One, they cost more. Two, the housings for them, in the vehicle's ceiling, typically (but not always) take up about an extra inch of headroom, which can be important for tall people. Three, the big hole in the roof cuts out some of the roof's structural integrity...although modern computer-engineering of vehicle-frame strength has lessened that somewhat. Four, over time, they can cause squeaks, rattles, and leaks. Fifth, and perhaps this, to me, is the most important reason...if the electrics fail just as a big rainstorm is approaching, automakers, perhaps because of cost-cutting, don't provide an emergency hand-crank anymore to crank it shut like they used to.
I partly, but not totally, agree with you on the push-button ignition. I like the convenience of the push-button for most starts, but it is easier, with a key, to know when the ignition switch is in the OFF, ACC, ON, or START position at a glance....if, say, you need momentary accessory-power for the windows or other features when the engine is shut down.
I partly, but not totally, agree with you on the push-button ignition. I like the convenience of the push-button for most starts, but it is easier, with a key, to know when the ignition switch is in the OFF, ACC, ON, or START position at a glance....if, say, you need momentary accessory-power for the windows or other features when the engine is shut down.
I would bet almost my life on you never getting stuck with it open and the motor failing in the rain, however.
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I believe it depends on the model. I know on the S you have/had an option of no glass at all on the roof. I have the Y, I'm not sure if it's optional to not have the glass roof or not... but I would've only looked at ones with the glass roof. Makes a difference in the feel of the interior (I have a buddy with an older S without the glass roof)
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I like having a sunroof, I do open it from time to time but when it’s not open I leave the shade closed. I like the darkness of the interior and I like the noise suppression of the shade.
Specifically refusing to buy a car with a sunroof limits you too much when looking for cars, since almost all cars have them
Specifically refusing to buy a car with a sunroof limits you too much when looking for cars, since almost all cars have them
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These vehicles are engineered to have a sunroof, it doesn't compromise rigidity. The only difference in a model with and without a sun roof is there is thin sheetmetal there instead of glass, the structure of the roof is the same.
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You can see this pretty clearly in this video, where they're removing the roof (with sunroof) from an F30 3-series in order to replace it with the carbon roof from an F80 M3:
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Back to Sequoia, I may go drive one just to see how much better the Denali is....for 80k plus. I still can't believe they are that expensive with not even FT4WD.
Stepping on the gas will be the first disappointment I'm sure.
Stepping on the gas will be the first disappointment I'm sure.
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