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Old Aug 9, 2023 | 07:12 PM
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I like having a sunroof, I do open it from time to time but when it’s not open I leave the shade closed. I like the darkness of the interior and I like the noise suppression of the shade.

Specifically refusing to buy a car with a sunroof limits you too much when looking for cars, since almost all cars have them

So do I. Dealbreaker for me. And I can’t believe Prius and Venza and Crown all have fixed glass roofs. Even the Mirai. Such a shame.
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Old Aug 9, 2023 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Actually incorrect. See above.
Well, he was at least right about the potential for more leaks.
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Old Aug 9, 2023 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Specifically refusing to buy a car with a sunroof limits you too much when looking for cars, since almost all cars have them
i've never refused to buy a car because it has a sunroof... every car i've bought has had one except the lc500 i have now because that's the only way it comes with the dynamic handling package.

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So do I. Dealbreaker for me.
i think you're saying it's a deal breaker for you if a car does NOT have a sunroof right?
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Old Aug 9, 2023 | 09:36 PM
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My preference is for a car without one, but I won't let the presence of a sunroof stop me from buying a car I am otherwise in love with.

My truck doesn't have a sunroof, but my Fusion and LS400 did. I do prefer less glass living in Las Vegas.
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Old Aug 10, 2023 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
Well, he was at least right about the potential for more leaks.
Thats true lol
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Old Aug 10, 2023 | 02:40 PM
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Though generally a deal-breaker for me, I'm not quite as extreme against sunroofs as this article, but the author brings up some good points:

https://www.thedrive.com/article/419...-get-a-sunroof
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Old Aug 10, 2023 | 02:45 PM
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Back to the (thread-topic) 2024 Sequoia, here's a nice video on a TRD version, with a lot of close-ups:

https://www.google.com/search?q=2024...id:kWQc5HXINtQ
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Old Aug 10, 2023 | 03:25 PM
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Though generally a deal-breaker for me, I'm not quite as extreme against sunroofs as this article, but the author brings up some good points:

https://www.thedrive.com/article/419...-get-a-sunroof
This article is nothing but his own opinion without any facts posted for laughs

No one actually uses a sunroof. When you buy a new car, you may try it out once or twice, and then about a week later you forget that it’s even there. If it’s raining, opening it would be insane. And if it’s hot out, it’s just a hole in the roof letting the air-conditioned atmosphere escape. If the weather is perfect, go ride a motorcycle, OK? About the only practical use of a sunroof is to monitor law enforcement helicopters tracking you.
No, HE doesn't use a sunroof. I use mine, my wife uses hers, my cousin and all of my friends use theirs. I see them open on cars all the time. Of course you would never open it when its raining...when its hot out, but its not always raining or hot out.

Go ride a motorcycle? And risk my life? Pass.

You should never cut holes in a car’s roof. The unibody structure of most vehicles is such that the roof is an integral part of its strength. Carving out an opening in it is like installing a screen door in an egg. Insanity.
Again, lack of understanding how modern cars are designed. The roof is not a structural element, the roof rails are but the roof is easily removable in a modern car and cross bracing can and is done around the sunroof. The same car with a sunroof and without has exactly the same structural rigidity

If you actually do open a sunroof, you’ve seriously screwed with the car’s aerodynamics. Suddenly laminar airflow becomes a turbulent top of additional drag. And despite desperate attempts at mitigating the sound, you’ve created a noisy vortex that almost always makes regular conversation between driver and passengers impossible.
I'm not flying a plane, I'm driving a car at 40 MPH lol. Its a meaningless difference. He would need his hearing checked because I can talk to my passengers just fine.

It’s something else that will inevitably break. And when it does, it's fiendishly expensive to fix.
I have had many old cars with sunroofs, none of them broke. 1995 Ford Explorer 20 years old with 225,000 miles, sunroof still worked fine, 2003 ES300 with 215,000 miles, 20 years old, sunroof still works fine. His logic can be extended to any electronic aid. Should cars not have power windows because they will inevitably break?

They weigh too much. Honda occasionally deletes the sunroofs from a car if the additional weight of that roof screws up EPA fuel mileage testing on the dyno. That's right, sunroofs are so heavy they can affect fuel mileage. Think somewhere between an additional 50- and 80-pounds for a normal sedan’s glass panel sunroof. Or between 120- and 200-pounds for those insane “panoramic” sunroofs you can find on luxury SUVs.
I don't think the weight will make a difference for my 5,000 lb S Class or my 4,500 lb Pacifica lol

All that weight is in exactly the wrong place—at the top of the car, where it raises the center of gravity. When was the last time you saw a racecar with a sunroof, huh?
Again, its engineered for it.

They steal headroom. That roof has to go someplace when it’s open, and that’s usually right to where the rear seat passengers keep their foreheads. So you don’t just get a sunroof, you get less utility too!
True, but for most people this is not an issue because 96.1% of people are shorter than 6'2".

They're too damn expensive. Car companies cleverly bury the cost of sunroofs in “option packages” that bundle together convenience features that often aren’t all that convenient. But Dodge does offer a sunroof as a stand-alone option on the Challenger and Charger for $1,195. So you’re paying nearly $1,200 for a hole in your roof, filled with a heavy glass panel, that makes the car worse when it’s open, and screws up the aerodynamics.
Only an issue if you believe as this guy does. I will always pay for the sunroof.
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Old Aug 10, 2023 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
This article is nothing but his own opinion



That's why I said that my views, though similar, were not quite as extreme as his.

Also, keep in mind that you usually don't keep a vehicle more than the lease period (2-4 years)......I usually don't keep a vehicle more than 5. Some of the worst sunroof problems may not occur untll later in a vehicle's life....although that still doesn't mean I'd want one.
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Old Aug 10, 2023 | 05:28 PM
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But I have kept vehicles far far longer than that, and know many people who do and none of them nor I have ever had an issue with a sunroof.
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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 08:09 AM
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I have had only used vehicles ranging from 6 years to 15 years old. I’ve never had a problem with a sunroof leaking or getting stuck. It does rattle slightly on my GS though, but if I close the shade I don’t hear it. I also take good care of my cars and don’t park them under trees.

I am very surprised to read the disdain for sunroofs on a luxury car forum where there is usually an appreciation for superfluous luxury and technology features. As for the new Sequoia I think it’s an epic fail for reasons previously mentioned.

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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 11:02 AM
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if you treat the rubber gasket around the glass with something like Sin Etsu grease it will solve the rattling...
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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Why exactly do you not like them, or are "adamant" against them? Just genuinely curious. I get it, I hate pushbutton ignition and always will just because I like nice keys and expensive feeling ignition locks.
I dislike them because they are a point of failure, I never use them, they let light inside and heat up the interior as well as cause fade on trim, useless at higher speeds due to noise and reduce headroom, they also add weight and another point of electronic drain if something goes wrong.

If I used them it would maybe be different but I just don't like them and as far as getting heat out that's the only function I've found useful. Even then all windows down as you walk out to the car has the same effect so...
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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i NEVER open the shade on my santa fe (which is a panoramic roof, half opening, half fixed). i see no reason to let light in.

about your tesla, you said you opted for the entire glass roof... i thought they only came that way?

as for feeling open, i'd rather it felt closed like a cockpit. if i wanted open i'd drive a van.
Agreed. I don't want an open feeling and if I do I'll drive a full on convertible or bike.
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Old Aug 11, 2023 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
if you treat the rubber gasket around the glass with something like Sin Etsu grease it will solve the rattling...
That is another annoyance....you need to snake the drains, re-grease the rubber and slide rails, if you have an active controlled diffuser like on my A8s there is a motor to fail and a fine mesh net to keep cleaned and motor arms to keep lubed etc etc. Even if you don't use it all that stuff still needs to be taken care of and god help you if a drain tube cracks on a high end car.

I just did all that stuff on my new VW and fr what? I'm never going to open the roof again until next year for the next service
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