Originally Posted by AJT123

Power tilt but manual telescope? In an S-Class? Seriously?

My old SL has both power tilt and telescope, but there is no way to set them to work automatically when you exit, etc.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

ha, i went into the garage and checked it. yes it's turned on but it moves up and down maybe 1/2" between driving position and exit mode.
i adjusted it to be a bit lower in driving position and telescoped in out a bit. but when it went to exit mode it didn't telescope in, like your mb.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

Its power tilt and telescope, but when you turn it off the wheel only moves up, not in.
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Originally Posted by AJT123

Does the wheel motor make any noise?

Originally Posted by SW17LS

In a luxury vehicle a power wheel should be standard equipment. In a UX or something optional is fine, but for it to be optional in the GX when its standard in the NX makes no sense.

Your LC will do that if you have it set to.

Originally Posted by Rommelromm

There are some hilariously bad option omissions with this:

Power tilt/telescope wheel requires Premium+ or Overtrail+, this was standard in 2003.

Memory system for mirrors/driver's seat/steering wheel again requires Premium+ or Overtrail+, again this was standard 21 years ago.

AVS only in Luxury+ or Overtrail.

LED fogs as mentioned are Premium+.

4 way adjustable headrests are Luxury or Overtrail+

Wireless phone charger is Premium+ or Overtrail+

Intuitive Parking Assist in Premium+

E-KDSS is locked to Overtrail, proving that Lexus seems to have forgotten how their own systems even perform. KDSS makes the truck SO much better on and off road that it should be available across the line.

There should only be three trims:

Premium should be the base trim and have all the content of Premium+, AVS, and the 4 way headrests, aside from power third row.

Options should be:

Cold Area Package
Second row Captain's chairs
Power third row
E-KDSS

Luxury then would only add a few things standard:

10 way drivers seat
Massaging front seats
Semi-Aniline leather interior trim
2nd row sunshade
Illuminated door sills
21 Speaker Mark Levinson
Cool Box
Power third row

Features would be:

Cold Area Package
Second row Captain's chairs
E-KDSS
Power extending running boards
Panoramic glass roof

Then Overtrail as the offroad trim, but just pretty much make the Overtrail+ the base aside from these changes:

Make the manual third row standard
Cool box standard


Have the following options:

Cold Area Package
Panoramic glass roof
10 way drivers seat/massaging front seats

Originally Posted by LexsCTJill

mostly to do with helping to lower costs.

‘I think the idea is to expand the trim line and appeal to non top spec buyers. So a more bare bones model will appeal to those who want to heavily modify their SUV. A closer to bare bone stock model will give the buyer that option. No fog lights to remove for upgrade. Bare bones stock suspension. Less interior features helps lower the costs.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

But they’re going to have the Land Cruiser for this.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

The LR defender doesn’t lack those basic luxury car features though

Originally Posted by LexsCTJill

So? Toyota wants to lower the starting price of the GX.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

I think that’s a big mistake. A Lexus should have a certain amount of standard luxury features, and power driver adjustments are par for the course, even higher trim mainstream vehicles have them. I love the vehicle, but that’s a mistake as well as using fake wood trim is a mistake.

Originally Posted by AJT123

I was not aware of fake wood. Lexus has NEVER used it before, to my knowledge.

That is absolutely unacceptable to me as well.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

The LR defender doesn’t lack those basic luxury car features though

Originally Posted by 1111GS

Back in 2013 when the 4GS was introduced, AVS was also a Luxury/F Sport feature. If we look at how German option their cars, this is not bad at all. Sure the wheel should move but others are fine IMO.

So I had some free time to check out cars. I decided to stop by LR to check out the RR and Defender. IMO, the defender is nowhere considered luxury. But maybe they did this way for the off road/dirty rides. The RR on the other hand is a damn nice luxurious transportation.