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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
The answer is very obvious some Model S buyers purchased a car that would normally be above their price range because the S was the only desirable EV. When it came time to get a new car they went with the 3, more in their wheelhouse. Model S sales were never going to maintain what they did at the beginning it was pent up demand. The S still sells well considering the price point.
That's an interesting point. Wonder what the residual value is for the Model S and depreciation. The other side of that though is the ones that buy above their price range probably could only afford the $70,115 Long Range model. This chart shows the average Model S buyer spent $95,000. The Performance model starts at $90,115, so these people have deep pockets. There must be something else going on.
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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 05:06 PM
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Deep pockets doesn't mean you only buy high end, maybe they wanted the 3 because it's the latest. I like the Model 3 better except the interior so I'd buy the S instead, or the X which is the only SUV I want to own.
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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 05:09 PM
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I agree the exterior of the Model 3 is nice. The interior is awful
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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Deep pockets doesn't mean you only buy high end, maybe they wanted the 3 because it's the latest. I like the Model 3 better except the interior so I'd buy the S instead, or the X which is the only SUV I want to own.

You'd put up with those Leak-O-Matic double-hinged gull-doors? Despite numerous attempts, automakers have never gotten the bugs out of swing-up doors, and the Model X, despite advanced computer-design, is apparently no exception.
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Old Nov 13, 2019 | 06:43 PM
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Any minor issues I'd fix myself watched a vid where a tech explained what goes wrong with the doors it's actually no big deal almost all the problems are because a sensor and bracket come loose.
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 08:45 AM
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Eye of the beholder. The current RX is probably the ugliest vehicle on the road.
I agree that thing is hideous on the outside but the inside is near perfection.
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 09:07 AM
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List doesn't surprise me cause the most of vehicles on it are non-premium cars. BMW 3 is the only exception but that's because it's on it's way out of being a cool car to have which it has been the case for two decades almost. I know so many 3 series owners that have never considered equal Audi, Lexus or Merc but instead it was should I get loaded Mazda 6 or Accord or stripped Bimmer. Thanks Model 3
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 10:21 AM
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Old Nov 14, 2019 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Vladi
List doesn't surprise me cause the most of vehicles on it are non-premium cars. BMW 3 is the only exception but that's because it's on it's way out of being a cool car to have which it has been the case for two decades almost. I know so many 3 series owners that have never considered equal Audi, Lexus or Merc but instead it was should I get loaded Mazda 6 or Accord or stripped Bimmer. Thanks Model 3
Actually if you click to the article, they consider BMW most vulnerable brand to Tesla.

It is not really true, based on picked statistical data (and a lot of it), cant explain for BMW sales actually going up this year.
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Old Nov 19, 2019 | 11:27 AM
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Not sure if this is the best thread to post this article or not. I just really don't want to start a new Tesla thread, so here goes...

How do 300K-mile Teslas hold up? This EV fleet operator has some interesting data




The highest-mileage Teslas on the planet aren't consumer cars, but rather fleet vehicles owned by companies like Tesloop.


The EV market made a lot of promises to consumers: more efficiency, less time spent at the pump, less pollution, less maintenance. Even the enthusiasts are now placated with supercar-like stats from Tesla, the Porsche Taycan, Jaguar, Mercedes and Audi. What hasn’t been talked about often is how the first-wave EVs are holding up at mega-mileages.

Most EVs are still too young to die of old age, but not the Teslas at Tesloop, a Southern California-based fleet that rents the EVs to customers who need to travel from San Diego to LA or destinations in between. The Tesloop cars can clock up to 17,000 miles a month and need to recharge as often as twice daily. Several of its cars are nearing a half-million miles—when most fleets ditch their cars after 100K. Tesloop shared its data with Quartz, which teased out some interesting conclusions.

“When we first started our company, we predicted the drivetrain would practically last forever,” Tesloop founder Haydn Sonnad told Quartz. “That’s proven to be relatively true.”

Tesloop has spent just over $150,000 in maintenance on its fleet of seven vehicles, along with four others it operates. Tesloop spent 35 percent of that on parts, including seats, cooling fans and pumps, headlights, axles—which is a little concerning—and brakes. Tires made up 29 percent of that total, and everything else (towing, memory chips, battery replacement, bodywork, wheel alignments) was in the single percentile range.

The six battery replacements were all under warranty. One Model X, after covering more 330,000 miles, lost 23 percent of its range (260 miles to 200 miles). Quartz notes that the average from Tesla owners is about 10 percent over 155,000 miles. That lines up. There were a few software problems, too. The flash memory chip logged so much data it burned out, and in another car a software glitch would shut off the batteries prematurely. Sonnad says that those issues have been solved in the Model 3 and that he’s eventually switching his whole fleet to those newer cars.

Tesloop's cost per mile comes out to about 6 cents, which is on par with conventional vehicles. But those ICE cars usually get replaced after 100,000 miles, meaning another big investment. Sonnad predicts his total cost, including depreciation, will drop below premium brands—and eventually below standard brands.


In New York City’s fleet, the Chevrolet Bolt had the lowest maintenance cost in 2018, followed by the Nissan Leaf, electric Ford Focus, the hybrid Fusion and hybrid Toyota Prius. Gas cars and the Chevy Volt were at the bottom of the list, with the gas-powered Focus requiring nine times more maintenance than the Bolt.


Most fleet companies are just starting to dip their collective toes in the EV pool, but they are anticipating the change.

“Everyone is excited about it, and everyone wants it,” David Hayward, a fleet expert with Deloitte Consulting told Quartz. “But there’s trepidation.”

That will certainly change as Tesla’s truck comes online along with Rivian’s fleet of Amazon vans and others. And for all fleets, range and charging is obviously a concern. But as soon as EV fleets drop a penny below the cost of an ICE fleet, you can be sure they’ll accept the change, especially if they’re getting five times the miles until the end of service.





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Old Nov 20, 2019 | 08:47 AM
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^^^Interesting read. I'm impressed by the miles those cars logged even with the issues.
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Old Nov 30, 2019 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Its seems like Tesla is hurting BMW, Toyota, and Honda more than any other manufacturer. Unsurprisingly, it hurts Lexus the least...probably due to Lexus owners having reliability at the top of their concerns.
That's interesting, because I bought my 3 and F with reliability as a primary consideration, each time. People will have their own perceptions, but I make a distinction between fit and finish (the 3 is fine), vs likelihood of mechanical breakdown.
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Old Nov 30, 2019 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lets Drive
That's interesting, because I bought my 3 and F with reliability as a primary consideration, each time. People will have their own perceptions, but I make a distinction between fit and finish (the 3 is fine), vs likelihood of mechanical breakdown.
I'm assuming Model 3 and if so, what version. You have the ISF so it would be interesting to get your take on the differences between your V8 vs the EV.
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Old Nov 30, 2019 | 08:47 PM
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I keep hearing that the Model 3 is eating up the market but that doesn’t seem to be the case in my area. I’d assume it’s due to gas being cheap around here. I have met a few Tesla owners recently that spoke highly of the cars though. The Model 3 seems like a great alternative to cars like the 3 Series though.
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Old Nov 30, 2019 | 09:49 PM
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Not surprised. People I know with Model 3 come from cheaper makes. Luxury car owners can’t get over the “cheap” interiors of Model 3, IMO.

I think Tesla is great. I would buy a Model 3 if it has a driver side gauges.

Until then, I’m going to buy another hybrid.
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