Better tell Lexus they are wasting their time.

 

This is normal human behavior, we generally interact with similar minded people , hence why you don't know anyone that wants an EV. It has nothing to with age. I'm 59 and would never go back to an ICE.

 

It's all a big virtue signal. The goalposts will move. We're not going to have the infrastructure/logistics for EVs for a long time. Plus half of America I would guess does not want one.

I was just disclosing my age because we were talking about groups of people. I have many, many friends whom I think are complete idiots politically, your assumption pertaining to me is incorrect.

 

As you probably already know, Toyota's bread n butter are the Camry, Corolla, Rav4 and some of their SUV's and trucks and on the Lexus side it's their luxury focused SUV's and cars like the ES, GS etc. As far as more sportier trims, the IS350 and IS300 are popular, but cars like the ISF, GSF, LC etc just don't sell in high enough numbers. Cars like the ISF and LFA were more project cars where they showed they can build them, so they did for a small number of enthusiasts. The reason they partnered with BMW to build the Supra was they don't have the facilities, nor can they justify spending money on factories to build cars like the Supra. BTW, although the Supra is pretty much a BMW, Toyota made BMW re-engineer all the parts to make it reliable (I read an article on this).

Toyota's biggest concern is reliability and longevity in it's products. That's one of the reason's it's avoided going the downsized turbocharged route. As I mentioned earlier, I had a 2018 Si which was turbocharged. But in order to keep the engine reliable, they had to keep the HP down to 205 at the crank. Even then Civic's now suffer higher than normal engine wear, are notorious for having fuel dilution issues in places where they have colder winters, and suffer from heat soak and oil leaks. People who are tuning these engines for more power are finding bending and blown rods. Premature clutch wear and blown 4th gears have become very common in the Honda CivicX forum. So I totally appreciate that Toyota is sticking to tried and true technology. The IS 500 will probably be the exception of a high performance Lexus that will sell in large numbers, but will probably end up covered up in some enthusiasts garage as a collectors item

 

I assumed we were talking about EV's. Didn't realize it had anything to do with politics.

My bad, I must have mistaken you for someone else that can't stand EVs.

 

Here in Norther Cal, Gen Z mainly drive Tesla. We have two high school engineering interns...both come in Tesla's

 

LOL it almost always boils down to dreaded politics. When he says "half the country", that's basically CA. With NY, that is more than half the population, and both populations have heavily adopted EV's

 

[QUOTE=Hameed;11084461]I assumed we were talking about EV's. Didn't realize it had anything to do with politics.

My bad, I must have mistaken you for someone else that can't stand EVs

 

Someone inferred that I only hang around like-minded people. Which is NOT true. Wasn't bringing politics into this.

Half the country? NY has 20MM citizens, Ca 40MM. The country's population is 330 million. Check your math. Lots of other places exist in this country other than SoCal and New York City area.

 

I know at least 5 under 40 people with a Model 3/y. Obviously we associate with different people.

 

Yes and you also think Tesla is the paragon of absolute perfection, at least it seems like it. Your opinion to me is heavily biased. You never admit any shortcomings, and all cars have them pretty much.

 

If I took a picture of our parking lot at work, you would think we sold Tesla's. Most of those people are over 40

 

Take one! Do people charge them at work? There were slots for them in Los Angele in newer parking garages when we lived there in 2015 but EVs hardly, hardly were anything close to a dent of a % of ICE cars. That was 6 years ago, but still.

 

Lol. I have never said Tesla's are perfect. They are known for quality issues, cheaper materials, and are missing many features. I just think EVs in general are better than IcE in terms of powertrain.

 

I'm exaggerating of course. That being said, California alone would be enough to sustain EV sales. We are among the top 7 markets when it comes to automobiles