2022 BMW i4
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As much as I like the brand, I couldn't buy a car with it. I've adjusted somewhat to the horse collar (Audi), the beak (Acura), the predator (Lexus) but not so sure about this one.
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Why do car makers put out such nice concepts for the production version to be so disappointing and look so bland and dull, the giant nostrils are not needed in a EV and just totally ruin it more.
It is not hideous like a Tesla 3 I guess.
It is not hideous like a Tesla 3 I guess.
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Why do car makers put out such nice concepts for the production version to be so disappointing and look so bland and dull, the giant nostrils are not needed in a EV and just totally ruin it more.
It is not hideous like a Tesla 3 I guess.
It is not hideous like a Tesla 3 I guess.
am i the only one to say the grill isn't too bad?
when the latest model accord came out, i said it was hideous too but now it's growing on me.
to be back on topic (sort of), chris harris did a review on the recent M3 and i share in his brief thoughts on the grill:
when the latest model accord came out, i said it was hideous too but now it's growing on me.
to be back on topic (sort of), chris harris did a review on the recent M3 and i share in his brief thoughts on the grill:
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I realize everyone seems fixated on the snout - I'm more interested in how the car drives, range and it's EV "ness". It is after all the first designed from the ground up full BEV from one of the premium German brands - a lot is riding on the success of this BEV sedan. I would love to test drive it as soon as it's out.
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The grille is hideous and rest of the design is just as bad.
Gone are all the great characteristics of BMW design.
This i4 and new iX Suv will be complete failures just like the i3 and i8 were. Nobody wants quirky styling on EVs - why don’t these companies get that?
I think BMW is in complete panic mode right now about its future and i don’t see them remaining an independent car company in 10yrs. Their brand image is not what it was compared to 20yrs ago and now they are trying to transition to EV place where their best attributes - powertrain engineering - is worthless. Not to mention the new hideous design language.
Gone are all the great characteristics of BMW design.
This i4 and new iX Suv will be complete failures just like the i3 and i8 were. Nobody wants quirky styling on EVs - why don’t these companies get that?
I think BMW is in complete panic mode right now about its future and i don’t see them remaining an independent car company in 10yrs. Their brand image is not what it was compared to 20yrs ago and now they are trying to transition to EV place where their best attributes - powertrain engineering - is worthless. Not to mention the new hideous design language.
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I realize everyone seems fixated on the snout - I'm more interested in how the car drives, range and it's EV "ness". It is after all the first designed from the ground up full BEV from one of the premium German brands - a lot is riding on the success of this BEV sedan. I would love to test drive it as soon as it's out.
If anything Porsche Taycan was first to market from the Germans and VW has several models out as well. All of these EVs still have the same limitations and inconveniences that don’t make them more desirable or better than ICE vehicles, not to mention they cost significantly more.
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I'm not a big fan of BMW except for their 3 series sedan. Definitely off my list with this grille....... it's not the same as the Lexus spindle grille.
I'm not sure how long people will get used to this new design or for BMW to take back this design. The sales # will tell.
I'm not sure how long people will get used to this new design or for BMW to take back this design. The sales # will tell.
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BMW unveils a new electric car, but says it isn't counting out gas engines just yet
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN BusinessUpdated 12:05 AM ET, Thu March 18, 2021
(CNN) On Wednesday, BMW unveiled the i4, the latest addition to its line of electric cars. And while the luxury automaker plans to add more electric vehicles to its lineup, it made clear that it will still make cars with gas engines for the foreseeable future.
BMW chairman Oliver Zipse said in an online press conference, the company will keep developing, building and selling cars with internal combustion engines, including plug-in hybrids.
"If there are no customers [for these vehicles] in our 140 markets, we will stop producing them," he said.
The BMW i4 is an all-electric sedan and the latest addition to the automaker's EV lineup.This is a departure from some of the other major automakers. While not firmly committing itself, General Motors has said it plans to sell only zero-emission vehicles by 2035. Volvo announced recently it will become a fully electric car brand by 2030. BMW, however, is not putting any timeline on when, or if, it will become an all-electric carmaker.But at some point, it may have very little choice.Some countries and states have said they plan to ban sales of internal combustion-powered cars in the not-very-distant future. Great Britan and the US state of California haveproposed bans on sales of internal combustion-powered vehicles, including hybrids, by 2035. Norway wants all new passenger cars and vans sold in that country to be zero-emissions by 2025.
The BMW i4 will be available in versions that offer a driving range of up to 300 miles.BMW's strategy has long been to maintain flexibility in its engineering as it develops new vehicles so that its factories can shift quickly and easily from producing purely internal combustion cars to producing plug-in hybrids or electric cars as market demand shifts. The underlying engineering architectures for BMW vehicles is designed to make it easy for them to be built with electric, hybrid or purely internal combustion power.
"We are much more flexible than the world thinks we are," Zipse said.
BMW released few details about its new i4 electric sedan, beyond images of the exterior. It's a four-door car similar in profile to the petroleum-powered BMW 4-series. It will be available in versions with up to about 300 miles of US EPA-estimated driving range and can produce up to 530 horsepower.
Last November, BMW unveiled the iX, an all-electric SUV intended as the top model for the brand's "i" electric vehicle sub-brand. The iX is expected to go into production later this year. The i4 is also expected to go on sale in Europe later this year and in the US early next year, a BMW spokesman said.
BMW will offer electric models in 90% of the market segments it competes in by 2023, the company said in an announcement. By 2030, the company expects roughly half its global sales to be electric vehicles.
Volkswagen and Audi are starting to challenge Tesla
But there is at least one brand in theBMW Group that is going all electric. BMW's Mini division will offer only electric cars by the mid-2030s, the company announced.
Mini's small cars, which are frequently driven short distances in urban environments, are well suited to electric car buyers, Zipse said. Mini currently offers one fully electric model, the Mini Cooper SE. A next-generation version of the Mini Countryman SUV, which will go into production in 2023, will also be available in an electric version.BMW also owns Rolls-Royce, the British ultra-luxury brand that sells cars like the Rolls-Royce Ghost and Phantom, which costhundreds of thousands of dollars. There are no plans to make Rolls-Royce an electric-only brand, but an electric model is coming soon, Zipse said.
"There will be an electric Rolls-Royce in this decade and probably not late in this decade," Zipse said.
EV ftw!!!
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Is it not using the regular 4series platform?
If anything Porsche Taycan was first to market from the Germans and VW has several models out as well. All of these EVs still have the same limitations and inconveniences that don’t make them more desirable or better than ICE vehicles, not to mention they cost significantly more.
If anything Porsche Taycan was first to market from the Germans and VW has several models out as well. All of these EVs still have the same limitations and inconveniences that don’t make them more desirable or better than ICE vehicles, not to mention they cost significantly more.
I meant that its the first from the ground up designed BEV from BMW. I was not referring to other German brands.
This is as bad as fake body cladding and other nonsense.