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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah, its frustrating...has to be really frustrating for Hyundai too
i doubt it as they can't make vehicles fast enough and the demand is so high dealers are getting it. h/k setting sales records all over.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i doubt it as they can't make vehicles fast enough and the demand is so high dealers are getting it. h/k setting sales records all over.
Hyundai isn’t capturing the market share that they would if the value of the vehicles would pass on to the consumers. Like you said though they’re production constrained anyways.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
Cool little car. But I'm not exactly sure what KIA is doing here. Nothing really special about the car and it's already looking dated.
If a family crossover that can run 0-60 in <3.5s is nothing special, then what excuse is there for the other brands that don't have their versions out yet?

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Hyundai isn’t capturing the market share that they would if the value of the vehicles would pass on to the consumers. Like you said though they’re production constrained anyways.
Ironically they've become the world's third largest manufacturer this year by volume. They are definitely production constrained, but handling it quite a bit better than most other OEM's- looking specifically at you, Honda.

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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
The average price of a new vehicle is now up to $48,000.
Thats the average price of a new car sold. If we consider all cars sold, I think the average price would be in the 30k.

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As mentioned by SW, it's an everyday EV. What's special about it is it can do the N'ring or track effortlessly and in the next moment be your daily driver, smooth as butter at any speed. Think about it: 576 hp, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, and an MPG equivalent of 105 mpg combined! If dealerships weren't marking this up so much I would consider this
It might be your everyday EV but its not an every day vehicle for your average consumer, which is the target market for KIA, Toyota, Honda, Chevy, etc.

At the 50k price range, I'm going with a real luxury car like a Lexus. The badge, the styling, the cost, the drivetrain - non of it warrants a 50k price tag(at least in my opinion).

The problem is that car manufacturers are trying to be something that they are not. KIA is trying to get more money out of their target market, but those who can afford 50k cars are in a different segment(Luxury- Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, BMW, MERC, Buick, Genesis).

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EVs are more expensive than ICE cars, and $50k isn't what it used to be. $50k isn't even a loaded minivan anymore.
Its a comfortable, sporty spacious EV that looks good, has good range and good performance. Thats what it is, like I said they can't build them fast enough so they must be doing something right. Compared to a Tesla Model 3 its cheaper.
It's still a 50k car(which is luxury money). I would never spend that kind of money on a KIA.

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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
Thats the average price of a new car sold. If we consider all cars sold, I think the average price would be in the 30k.



It might be your everyday EV but its not an every day vehicle for your average consumer, which is the target market for KIA, Toyota, Honda, Chevy, etc.

At the 50k price range, I'm going with a real luxury car like a Lexus. The badge, the styling, the cost, the drivetrain - non of it warrants a 50k price tag(at least in my opinion).

The problem is that car manufacturers are trying to be something that they are not. KIA is trying to get more money out of their target market, but those who can afford 50k cars are in a different segment(Luxury- Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, BMW, MERC, Buick, Genesis).



It's still a 50k car(which is luxury money). I would never spend that kind of money on a KIA.
All I can tell you is good luck finding a "new" Luxury car $50K or under, Kia, Hyundai, Lexus etc. If you do, let me know . Used, yes. New, not so much
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
All I can tell you is good luck finding a "new" Luxury car $50K or under, Kia, Hyundai, Lexus etc. If you do, let me know . Used, yes. New, not so much
Base price 50k before options lol.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
At the 50k price range, I'm going with a real luxury car like a Lexus. The badge, the styling, the cost, the drivetrain - non of it warrants a 50k price tag(at least in my opinion)..
Drivetrain? RX 500h for example is $65,000. 4-cylinder engine with performance not even close to most EVs. Lexus is so far in the past it's tragic.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Drivetrain? RX 500h for example is $65,000. 4-cylinder engine with performance not even close to most EVs. Lexus is so far in the past it's tragic.
at 50k most luxury cars with be equipped with a V6 - V8(nobody is going to fit a 4 banger in their luxury lineup). And you can't compare the performance between the two cars as they are two different technologies. You have to compare EV to EV and ICE to ICE.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Drivetrain? RX 500h for example is $65,000. 4-cylinder engine with performance not even close to most EVs. Lexus is so far in the past it's tragic.
There is nothing really compelling that Lexus is offering at this point that interests me except maybe the IS350, IS500, and LC500. Going to a 4 cylinder, turbocharged or not is a hard no

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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
at 50k most luxury cars with be equipped with a V6 - V8(nobody is going to fit a 4 banger in their luxury lineup). And you can't compare the performance between the two cars as they are two different technologies. You have to compare EV to EV and ICE to ICE.
I agree, but Lexus is dropping the V8 and V6 in almost everything. Take a look at all their SUV'S and crossovers
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
at 50k most luxury cars with be equipped with a V6 - V8(nobody is going to fit a 4 banger in their luxury lineup). And you can't compare the performance between the two cars as they are two different technologies. You have to compare EV to EV and ICE to ICE.
You mentioned Lexus. Of course you compare EV to 4-cylinder that's what Lexus has in their luxury SUV.

On the bold, yes you 100% do compare EV to ICE.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
at 50k most luxury cars with be equipped with a V6 - V8(nobody is going to fit a 4 banger in their luxury lineup). And you can't compare the performance between the two cars as they are two different technologies. You have to compare EV to EV and ICE to ICE.
$50K for a V8? In 2023? lol. This is what Toyota gives you for $50K in 2023.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
There is nothing really compelling that Lexus is offering at this point that interests me except maybe the IS350, IS500, and LC500. Going to a 4 cylinder, turbocharged, turbocharged or not is a hard no
All the Lexus can be optioned with the V6.

Even with a 4cylinder Turbo, I'd still pick it over a KIA. The prestige of the brand and what it represents will not make me stray of the path into a KIA.

No way. I would consider an EV Genesis though.
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Old Jan 16, 2023 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
All the Lexus can be optioned with the V6.
https://www.lexus.com/build-your-lexus/#!/series/nx
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Originally Posted by xGS350x
All the Lexus can be optioned with the V6.

Even with a 4cylinder Turbo, I'd still pick it over a KIA. The prestige of the brand and what it represents will not make me stray of the path into a KIA.

No way. I would consider an EV Genesis though.
I'll have to look into that, but I don't think so. From my understanding, the TT 3.5L is only used in a few vehicles like the LS500, one of the GX models, and Toyota trucks. V8 is only offered in the Sequoia. All of those are way above $50k
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