2021 Hyundai Santa Fe added
My GS and both my LS's had the type that unfurl. Oddly the GS had one on the passenger side and the LSs did not.
On my S Class the whole seat bottom moves out on both driver and passenger side.
On my S Class the whole seat bottom moves out on both driver and passenger side.
so Matt Moran posted a review of my exact car
(although mine's that cement gray color). he's off on a couple of points (of course the commenters made sure to point that out lol) but it's good. 
i still like this vehicle very much, it's quite refined, the seats are VERY comfortable, very practical and roomy for my needs, especially the under rear floor storage compartments which help me keep things tidy!
(although mine's that cement gray color). he's off on a couple of points (of course the commenters made sure to point that out lol) but it's good. i still like this vehicle very much, it's quite refined, the seats are VERY comfortable, very practical and roomy for my needs, especially the under rear floor storage compartments which help me keep things tidy!
Agreed. Although there are a few things about the Palisade, Telluride, and he new Sonata that IMO aren't quite up to the Hyundai and Kia products built during the last 10-15 years, it's really difficult to pan Korean products, even with the recent recalls for engine fires. They still produce vehicles that are substantially better than average in many ways. I won't mention any names (they know who they are), bit I get tired of all this constant anti-Hyundai talk from those on CL whose minds are still back more than 20 years, to when Hyundai and Kia DID make junk.
Agreed. Although there are a few things about the Palisade, Telluride, and he new Sonata that IMO aren't quite up to the Hyundai and Kia products built during the last 10-15 years, it's really difficult to pan Korean products, even with the recent recalls for engine fires. They still produce vehicles that are substantially better than average in many ways. I won't mention any names (they know who they are), bit I get tired of all this constant anti-Hyundai talk from those on CL whose minds are still back more than 20 years, to when Hyundai and Kia DID make junk.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
We struggled to find serious fault with it. In fact, we're slightly embarrassed to reveal the shallowness of our nitpicks—one editor criticized the way the washer fluid trickles down, rather than sprays, the rear glass. No matter how hard we tried, we never found a shortcoming substantial enough to poke a hole in the Telluride's all-around excellence. It is easily the best vehicle Kia has ever made.
Yes, it's a good vehicle...no question about that. And it has been a huge sales success....people are lined up at dealers to get them. My only beef with it (and it's admittedly a small one) is that the interior hardware and door-closings don't seem as solid as with Hyundai and Kia products of, say, mid-2000s to just recently. But, for those interested in a mid-size crossover, I'd still recommend one in a heartbeat...if they are available.
And I'd darn sure recommend one over the 2020-2021 Ford Explorer, unless one needs the Explorer's RWD and power for towing.
And I'd darn sure recommend one over the 2020-2021 Ford Explorer, unless one needs the Explorer's RWD and power for towing.
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so Matt Moran posted a review of my exact car
(although mine's that cement gray color). he's off on a couple of points (of course the commenters made sure to point that out lol) but it's good. 
https://youtu.be/ngOAt69IH0k
i still like this vehicle very much, it's quite refined, the seats are VERY comfortable, very practical and roomy for my needs, especially the under rear floor storage compartments which help me keep things tidy!
(although mine's that cement gray color). he's off on a couple of points (of course the commenters made sure to point that out lol) but it's good. https://youtu.be/ngOAt69IH0k
i still like this vehicle very much, it's quite refined, the seats are VERY comfortable, very practical and roomy for my needs, especially the under rear floor storage compartments which help me keep things tidy!
My parents love it as well, easily their overall favorite that they've looked at so far. Others were Q5, GV80, Sorento, Outback, and I think they are still going to check the XC60. My mom is ready to pull the trigger today, but dad wants to wait for the PHEV, which is coming in the fall.
What surprised me most is how much more they like it than the ostensibly-similar Sorento.
Any more recent revelations on things you love/hate about it?
What surprised me most is how much more they like it than the ostensibly-similar Sorento.
Any more recent revelations on things you love/hate about it?
My parents love it as well, easily their overall favorite that they've looked at so far. Others were Q5, GV80, Sorento, Outback, and I think they are still going to check the XC60. My mom is ready to pull the trigger today, but dad wants to wait for the PHEV, which is coming in the fall.
What surprised me most is how much more they like it than the ostensibly-similar Sorento.
Any more recent revelations on things you love/hate about it?
What surprised me most is how much more they like it than the ostensibly-similar Sorento.
Any more recent revelations on things you love/hate about it?
Speaking of which and in answer to your question, maybe it's how i drive, but the 2.5T is pretty thirsty. I get about 21mpg combined i think.
I live about 10 mi. from town and it's all fast divided highway going in/out. Maybe that doesn't help but i figured it would do better than city driving. Once in town of course it's stop and go. The engine start/stop is ok and i let it do its thing most of the time, but when the engine goes off at a light, the AC is weak so i might take my foot off the brake briefly so it restarts to get some air. Of course there's a button to turn off auto start/stop too.
The difference between 'comfort' mode and 'sport' mode is dramatic in terms of throttle/car response. In sport mode that car is eager and leaps forward at any speed. In comfort there's a little lag if you hit the gas from a light for example. Once you know though, the car is great to drive.
The suspension is relatively soft (and not adaptive) and wonderful for 99% of driving. I did notice once when i had to avoid a bad situation suddenly that the soft springs did cause the car to be a little unsettled in the maneuver but not bad. It's no sports car.
I noticed the other day that the car is really quiet when cruising... their revised sound deadening work that savagegeese mentioned plus dual pane front side glass must really help.
Push button shifter is simple but one thing i've noticed, at least i think this is how it works, if that car thinks you haven't 100% stopped before hitting P(park) it will engage the park brake too. Sometimes i don't notice that and when i go to leave the park brake is still on. You'd think that if i hit R and have my foot on the brake that the parking brake would disengage, but no. Just hit a button though, and go, there's no lever or pedal of course.
I'm still in awe and amazed at the left/right gauge turning into the side view camera input when you put on a turn signal. It's so incredibly useful. I wish my LC had it and given that the LC's blind spot is large and room to turn my body is limited, it would be even more useful.
Confusingly, the car has TWO lane keep functions - regular lane keep which will steer you out of the ditch if you're heading into it, and LFA (not that LFA, lol) lane follow assist i think it stands for, which takes a more active steering role to keep you centered in the lane at all times. That does not automatically engage, there's a button on the wheel to do so.
Last but not least, i didn't really care about the 'better' seats in the caligraphy when i was looking at it, and not a big fan of quilted leather but that's just part of what makes them different and only the high part of the back is quilted... these seats are gorgeous and exceptionally comfortable. There's nice stitching on the bottom too. It even has the extendible thigh bolster in front.
That's it for now. If they have any questions, fire away.
Push button shifter is simple but one thing i've noticed, at least i think this is how it works, if that car thinks you haven't 100% stopped before hitting P(park) it will engage the park brake too. Sometimes i don't notice that and when i go to leave the park brake is still on. You'd think that if i hit R and have my foot on the brake that the parking brake would disengage, but no. Just hit a button though, and go, there's no lever or pedal of course.
Confusingly, the car has TWO lane keep functions - regular lane keep which will steer you out of the ditch if you're heading into it, and LFA (not that LFA, lol) lane follow assist i think it stands for, which takes a more active steering role to keep you centered in the lane at all times. That does not automatically engage, there's a button on the wheel to do so.
It's definitely a great car and hard to see what's better for similar money. Phev version sounds great but i'm sure that will be a fair bit more $ although much better fuel economy no doubt!
Speaking of which and in answer to your question, maybe it's how i drive, but the 2.5T is pretty thirsty. I get about 21mpg combined i think.
I live about 10 mi. from town and it's all fast divided highway going in/out. Maybe that doesn't help but i figured it would do better than city driving. Once in town of course it's stop and go. The engine start/stop is ok and i let it do its thing most of the time, but when the engine goes off at a light, the AC is weak so i might take my foot off the brake briefly so it restarts to get some air. Of course there's a button to turn off auto start/stop too.
The difference between 'comfort' mode and 'sport' mode is dramatic in terms of throttle/car response. In sport mode that car is eager and leaps forward at any speed. In comfort there's a little lag if you hit the gas from a light for example. Once you know though, the car is great to drive.
The suspension is relatively soft (and not adaptive) and wonderful for 99% of driving. I did notice once when i had to avoid a bad situation suddenly that the soft springs did cause the car to be a little unsettled in the maneuver but not bad. It's no sports car.
I noticed the other day that the car is really quiet when cruising... their revised sound deadening work that savagegeese mentioned plus dual pane front side glass must really help.
Push button shifter is simple but one thing i've noticed, at least i think this is how it works, if that car thinks you haven't 100% stopped before hitting P(park) it will engage the park brake too. Sometimes i don't notice that and when i go to leave the park brake is still on. You'd think that if i hit R and have my foot on the brake that the parking brake would disengage, but no. Just hit a button though, and go, there's no lever or pedal of course.
I'm still in awe and amazed at the left/right gauge turning into the side view camera input when you put on a turn signal. It's so incredibly useful. I wish my LC had it and given that the LC's blind spot is large and room to turn my body is limited, it would be even more useful.
Confusingly, the car has TWO lane keep functions - regular lane keep which will steer you out of the ditch if you're heading into it, and LFA (not that LFA, lol) lane follow assist i think it stands for, which takes a more active steering role to keep you centered in the lane at all times. That does not automatically engage, there's a button on the wheel to do so.
Last but not least, i didn't really care about the 'better' seats in the caligraphy when i was looking at it, and not a big fan of quilted leather but that's just part of what makes them different and only the high part of the back is quilted... these seats are gorgeous and exceptionally comfortable. There's nice stitching on the bottom too. It even has the extendible thigh bolster in front.
That's it for now. If they have any questions, fire away.
Speaking of which and in answer to your question, maybe it's how i drive, but the 2.5T is pretty thirsty. I get about 21mpg combined i think.
I live about 10 mi. from town and it's all fast divided highway going in/out. Maybe that doesn't help but i figured it would do better than city driving. Once in town of course it's stop and go. The engine start/stop is ok and i let it do its thing most of the time, but when the engine goes off at a light, the AC is weak so i might take my foot off the brake briefly so it restarts to get some air. Of course there's a button to turn off auto start/stop too.
The difference between 'comfort' mode and 'sport' mode is dramatic in terms of throttle/car response. In sport mode that car is eager and leaps forward at any speed. In comfort there's a little lag if you hit the gas from a light for example. Once you know though, the car is great to drive.
The suspension is relatively soft (and not adaptive) and wonderful for 99% of driving. I did notice once when i had to avoid a bad situation suddenly that the soft springs did cause the car to be a little unsettled in the maneuver but not bad. It's no sports car.
I noticed the other day that the car is really quiet when cruising... their revised sound deadening work that savagegeese mentioned plus dual pane front side glass must really help.
Push button shifter is simple but one thing i've noticed, at least i think this is how it works, if that car thinks you haven't 100% stopped before hitting P(park) it will engage the park brake too. Sometimes i don't notice that and when i go to leave the park brake is still on. You'd think that if i hit R and have my foot on the brake that the parking brake would disengage, but no. Just hit a button though, and go, there's no lever or pedal of course.
I'm still in awe and amazed at the left/right gauge turning into the side view camera input when you put on a turn signal. It's so incredibly useful. I wish my LC had it and given that the LC's blind spot is large and room to turn my body is limited, it would be even more useful.
Confusingly, the car has TWO lane keep functions - regular lane keep which will steer you out of the ditch if you're heading into it, and LFA (not that LFA, lol) lane follow assist i think it stands for, which takes a more active steering role to keep you centered in the lane at all times. That does not automatically engage, there's a button on the wheel to do so.
Last but not least, i didn't really care about the 'better' seats in the caligraphy when i was looking at it, and not a big fan of quilted leather but that's just part of what makes them different and only the high part of the back is quilted... these seats are gorgeous and exceptionally comfortable. There's nice stitching on the bottom too. It even has the extendible thigh bolster in front.
That's it for now. If they have any questions, fire away.
Interesting they went to the camera in the dash for the blind spots. Honda it was doing that as well, I think they abandoned it. But I’m glad you like it. I’m surprise no other auto makers are doing it. Great thing about the seat with the extra five extension. It is something you typically don’t see at this price point
Last edited by Toys4RJill; Jun 18, 2021 at 06:57 PM.
















