Lexus IS500 F SPORT Performance
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If the S65 is extremely reliable, then what do I call just about any Toyota motor out there? Honda also used to do 9k rpm motors and they are nowhere near as disaster-prone as the S65, even when tuned, even when tracked. We all know about what 2UR-GSE's "issues" when driven on track... or the lack thereof :P
You'd expect valve train and conrod issues at 9k RPM, not main/journal bearings when "just driven normally" - which is what happens with the S65. Refer to the above thread for hilarity on the actual specs of the bearings. Again, never mind eating oil and the rest of the usuals.
And no, not all BMW engines are unreliable, but anything remotely modern generally has... at the very least, weird quirks that you'd better be aware of. Funnily enough, they had a period when their diesels were more reliable than their gas/petrol counterparts. Not -that- special since VW (AG) also had such a period, but still.
I wonder what makes the GT350's engine a ticking time bomb compared to the S65?
You'd expect valve train and conrod issues at 9k RPM, not main/journal bearings when "just driven normally" - which is what happens with the S65. Refer to the above thread for hilarity on the actual specs of the bearings. Again, never mind eating oil and the rest of the usuals.
And no, not all BMW engines are unreliable, but anything remotely modern generally has... at the very least, weird quirks that you'd better be aware of. Funnily enough, they had a period when their diesels were more reliable than their gas/petrol counterparts. Not -that- special since VW (AG) also had such a period, but still.
I wonder what makes the GT350's engine a ticking time bomb compared to the S65?
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I totally agree with you on BMW. BMW is also among the top 5 selling cars people own out here. I was only arguing reliability. I'm one of those buyers who does buy new (I always buy the family vehicles new), but I keep long term (10 years or more) so reliability for me is important. Thus I would never by a BMW unless it was a weekend type car.As far as my personal commute car, I don't think I would buy a Lexus new
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If its not my daily it's a full-size BOF truck of some sort or a true 2 door, I don't like small 4 doors that aren't really good at anything in particular.
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. Although my favorite car to rent is a V6 Camry lol
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Call me crazy, call me cheap, I like to wring out every ounce I can from my cars. That's why Toyota/Lexus have been my choices for the last 25 years. I rent a lot as I frequently travel to our Texas office, so I get to drive all kinds of cars. And being at Director level, nobody questions why I rented the more expensive Charger or Mustang . Although my favorite car to rent is a V6 Camry lol
. Although my favorite car to rent is a V6 Camry lol
I agree, some people just care way too much about 0-60 and track performance. I enjoy a car that sounds, feels, and drives great - I couldn't care if the brakes start to fade 20 minutes into track abuse.
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I only negotiate through email. I spend about a month researching the car I want and I only negotiate on invoice. I've never paid MSRP. I have a friend who works at a dealership in SoCal so I pretty much can find out the true invoice. Today with the shortages and car prices above MSRP, I wouldn't think of buying unless I had to. I'm hoping next year the chip shortage will be over by the time the F-150 lightning I reserved becomes available because I would walk away in a second if they won't negotiate
BMW doesn’t do V8s very well - the N63 is probably the most unreliable engine you can buy. The S63 V8TT in M5 are better.
The S65 though is definitely the best one by far - throttle actuators and rod bearings are really the only concerns and both are more maintenance items if you have over 50k miles.
The S65 though is definitely the best one by far - throttle actuators and rod bearings are really the only concerns and both are more maintenance items if you have over 50k miles.
Both the N63 and S63 turbo V8s are torque monsters, but complete garbage from maintenance stand point. Toyota needs to develop a TT V8 to show everyone how it should be done.
back when the first ISF and E92 M3 came out, the M3 had a gas guzzler tax, ISF didnt despite being 1.0 liter bigger. Also dont have to have a rod bearing work in reserve for that E92 V8 and stock that weird *** 10W-60 oil the E92 required
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The NA V8 M3 is long gone, and the current turbo i6 is a great engine, but there is a cool factor to a high tech NA V8. Of course the Lexus 5.0 V8 is not as high revving, but it is larger displacement and makes quite a bit more torque than the NA S65. Both engines are very special, it is a matter of preference. We did have very heated debates on here back in the days of the E9x M3 and the original IS-F.
Both the N63 and S63 turbo V8s are torque monsters, but complete garbage from maintenance stand point. Toyota needs to develop a TT V8 to show everyone how it should be done.
Both the N63 and S63 turbo V8s are torque monsters, but complete garbage from maintenance stand point. Toyota needs to develop a TT V8 to show everyone how it should be done.
I don't know, for a car as special as the E9x M3 I would not mind spending high $ on maintenance, when else do you get to drive a 9000rpm V8. Both fantastic engines and very special cars.