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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Really don't like the angled center stack, but other than that, looks very nice.
The question is........will the material-quality inside be comparable to the Lincoln Corsair, which it seems to be aimed at?...that, of course, we won't know until we can actually sit in it. Personally, I don't think the materials in the Cadillac XT5 and XT5 (haven't sat in the XT6 that I can remember) can compare to what we are seeing in the class-leading Corsair/Aviator/Navigator, although, of course, the Aviator has been plagued by the early-production assembly problems.

This might seem trivial to some people (I'm well-aware of that), but, to me, having a real Buick red/white/blue shield on the steering wheel, instead of that El Cheapo chrome-outline, really helps to set things off inside. IMO, both the Verano and Lacrosse should have had it, but did not, although all of the Chinese-market Buicks did....they never dropped it for the chrome-outline like they did in the U.S.




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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Here's the (estimated) pricing from Car & Driver, though Buick itself has not formally released pricing yet.

These prices seem a little high to me, although GM has been somewhat high on their SUV pricing lately.....witness the loaded 50K Blazers. Still, for a Buick, these prices are squarely in Cadillac XT4/XT5 territory.....which suggests, to me, that Buick, along with Cadillac, is aiming the new Envision squarely at Lincoln's Corsair.



https://www.caranddriver.com/buick/envision
  • Select: $38,000 (est)
  • Preferred: $41,000 (est)
  • Essence: $44,000 (est)
  • Premium: $46,000 (est)
  • Avenir: $50,000 (est)
If this is a similar sized vehicle to the XT4, a $50,000 Avenir trim vs a $50,000+ top level XT4 would be an interesting side-by-side comparison.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
If this is a similar sized vehicle to the XT4, a $50,000 Avenir trim vs a $50,000+ top level XT4 would be an interesting side-by-side comparison.

One thing, though, that is putting Buick at somewhat of a disadvantage to Cadillac this year is that Cadillac is keeping its luxury-car warranty (6/70 and 4/50) this year. Buick, who had the same 6/70 and 4/50 warranty for a number of years now (a strong buying-incentive) has scaled it back to 5/60 and 3/36 for 2020.....same as Chevy and GMC. An apparent (and unwarranted) cost-cutting move, if you ask me. Several other luxury-brands, BTW, also have the 6/70 and 4/50 warranty...Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, and Lincoln. Buick once competed with them, warranty-wise....no longer.

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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:35 AM
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Cadillac's XT4 is produced in GM's Fairfax assembly plant in Kansas City, Kansas, USA. For the Chinese market GM does produce the XT4 in Shanghai, China, the People's Republic of China governed by The Chinese Communist Party.

Why doesn't GM produce the Envision in the US also? Since they are on the same platform they could probably be built in Fairfax. They need a third shift there. Otherwise, there should be a large tariff tacked onto this import until they do.

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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
Cadillac's XT4 is produced in GM's Fairfax assembly plant in Kansas City, Kansas, USA. For the Chinese market GM does produce the XT4 in Shanghai, China, the People's Republic of China governed by The Chinese Communist Party.

Why doesn't GM produce the Envision in the US also? Since they are on the same platform they could probably be built in Fairfax. They need a third shift there. Otherwise, there should be a large tariff tacked onto this import until they do.
Buick doesn't produce many vehicles here any more because, as a Division, they have basically ignored the American market more and more each year for the entire last decade. The Encore GX, just introduced in the U.S., is not only built in Korea, but its 1.2L and 1.3L turbo-three-cylinder engines are engineered for the Chinese market. So, you won't get any arguments from me on complaints about how poorly the division has been run....I totally agree.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 12:59 PM
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Great for Buick, terrible for the Cadillac XT4



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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Great for Buick, terrible for the Cadillac XT4

Interior looks great except for the slanted center screen.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:29 PM
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I can't believe how small those center air vents are under the touchscreen
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 03:53 PM
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I'd just as soon have a gen 2 srx over that dash layout........
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Originally Posted by Felix
I'd just as soon have a gen 2 srx over that dash layout........
Ah yes the SRX.. the American RX. Imitation is a form of flattery


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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Ah yes the SRX.. the American RX. Imitation is a form of flattery


The SRX with those hard buttons was a great interior. That Lexus RX interior was better than the last two generations of RX as well.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
I can't believe how small those center air vents are under the touchscreen

Yes, that's a good point. I had not noticed that until now. Not only the new Envision, but the almost-brand-new Encore GX is more or less the same way...smaller-than-average center-dash air vents, except that they are above the dash-screen instead of below. I noticed that on my Encore GX test-drive......the airflow out them was not particularly strong.

A good question on the new Envision is......where's the shifter? I don't see a conventional lever, E-shifter, shift-buttons, paddles, rotary-****, or any other device to shift the transmission....even blowing the picture up and looking carefully. At first I thought it may be like the GMC Acadia, with the row of buttons under the dash, but no dice.
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Old Jun 30, 2020 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
A good question on the new Envision is......where's the shifter? I don't see a conventional lever, E-shifter, shift-buttons, paddles, rotary-****, or any other device to shift the transmission....even blowing the picture up and looking carefully. At first I thought it may be like the GMC Acadia, with the row of buttons under the dash, but no dice.
Here's different angle of the center console and it appears there may be buttons to left of the cup holders for the transmission. Photo's are not clear enough to read anything however.



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Old Jun 30, 2020 | 02:04 PM
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that screen glare.
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Old Jun 30, 2020 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rogerh00
Here's different angle of the center console and it appears there may be buttons to left of the cup holders for the transmission. Photo's are not clear enough to read anything however.
Thanks....that's what I was thinking, too. (Some Hondas/Acuras are set up like that now)...but you can't blow the button-markings up enough read them in the picture.

I guess we'll just have to have a little more patience LOL until we get more detailed pictures or see the interior for real. So far, I like most of what I see, although I agree with Jill that we could do without that inward-tilt of part of the dash towards the driver.
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