I 100% agree!

 

I agree that people have the right to voice their opinion, but you take it over board. So only fat and lazy Americans buy large SUVs?

I am all for capitalism. If consumer preferences dictate certain vehicle types, then so be it. Today in the US, SUVs are very popular, so why not make more that will sell? If I am Toyota, I want to design and build vehicles that will be popular and actually sell. Who cares if someone purchases a $100k SUV and tricks it out? It’s none of my business and not my money. You need to RELAX and stop forcing your beliefs on others.

 

If they were making a moral stand they wouldn’t rebadge the Land Cruiser or Prado to sell here and make tons of money. In fact, they would develop and sell newer car more efficient vehicles instead of those old, extremely inefficient and behind in safety features models.

Full of opinions sure but this is a community. I’d suggest you read the forums rules before you post too many “opinions” that insult others.

 

If Toyota execs are "loling" in the boardrooms over this, which I seriously doubt, they should get their hesds out of the sand, or wherever else their heads might be, They're out to sell vehicles that appeal to this and other markets. Nothing unusually noble about it.

 

I think Toyota is returning back to their roots. I also think for Toyota the future is hybrid, and then hydrogen technologies.

If Toyota were to exit the full size truck and full size suvs SUV segment for North America with both Toyota/Lexus, I would not miss them.

I think the Toyota execs are trying to figure out where to go with the full size stuff. There ain’t much of an immediate future for the next 2-3 years always as the pandemic has taken its toll on the NA economy. Toyota is in a pretty good place right now (in hindsight) as they are not burdened by a new expensive expenditure of gas guzzling SUVs that will not be selling.

 

I don't agree with your assessment of the economy. I think there will be plenty of demand.

 

Agreed. There are still plenty of people out there with money to spend on new vehicles, but nothing in the full size offering from Toyota or Lexus.

My point all along is that Toyota is slow to update their vehicles and have some dinosaurs in their lineup. What could they have sold over the past few years if those products were competitive? I am interested to see what they come out with, if and when that happens. I absolutely hate the LX and a rebadged Landcruiser - no real luxury or refinement. Yes it can last 20 years or whatever, but not what most luxury buyers are looking for.

 

The last recession should give you insight to how Toyota large SUVs will sell. Very poorly. All large expensive vehicles decrease as well as the entire industry. GM and Ford just do full size tricks and SUVs better.

 

In the last recession gas was $4 a gallon. Now its $1.90 a gallon. The last recession was also due to market factors while this has a inciting incident.

A lot of financial analysts disagree with you.

GM and Ford do full sized trucks and SUVs better, but that doesn't mean Toyota can't or shouldn't compete.

 

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i agree. obviously though, toyota does sell a TON of vehicles, and one could argue that by focusing on the most mainstream products like camry, rav4, and corolla, they've actually done better than if they'd gone all in on new trucks and suvs.

so what? it's supposed to be a (relatively) free country. they can buy what they want, you can buy what you want. of course you're free to judge others though.

i'm glad i don't give a crap about what others think about what i drive.

 

agree. Toyota’s lineup in every other country is focused on selling hybrids.

NA is just 10 years behind everyone else in adopting fuel efficient cars at scale. And you’ll hear every single reason under the sun why it’s not for them.

 

You got to give credit where credit is due. Toyota does not take risks due to popular culture in a certain market. Look at how long they have milked their 3.5L v6s. Tweaking it ever so slightly for 15 years.

Launching fuel guzzlers in a recession is loss making. They have learnt their lesson during the last financial crisis.

 

Becoming more and more a carmaker that doesn't provide enthusiasts with much of anything.

 

I think everyone has pretty much milked the 3.5 sized engine. GM is doing it with their 3.6. Hyundai is using a 3.8 in their new crossover that is ancient..behind in HP and MPG, but people are hush about it.

You seem to be a little more on top of things than others.

Yes, they definitely have.


Enthusiasm goes in so many ways... I find the body on frame GX and the GX overland concept much more interesting than most of the Lexus cars....

US is very different than the rest of the world (eventually the US comes around) I would not include Canada in with North America as Canada has fully adopted and supported hybrid Toyota's and Lexus. Canada just introduced a carbon tax that will push most vehicle consumers to hybrid technology or smaller motors.

20-30 years from now, Toyota and Lexus will be looked back upon as a pioneer of hybrid, BEV, and at that point an FCEV maker. The V8 stuff will be a distant memory as well as all the boring sedans in the past. It's tough for people here to understand and for some reason so many people are stuck in the past...