This is why Toyota is puzzling. They have this need in the full size segment yet they are releasing something that competes with its own Rav 4 in terms of size Maybe they just realize that full size is just not for them.

 

Very true.
Kodak ruled for so long, and look at them now?
Ten years ago, Canon was selling more cameras than ALL their competitors added together.
Ten years ago, Canon was making more money that ALL their competitors added together.
However, look at Canon now?
dSLR's are being replaced by mirrorless cameras, and Sony is doing well.
Even bit had to off-load his 5DIV.
Never say never.
That's why as bad as Tesla may manufacture and assemble, I never rule out Tesla.

Presently, Toyota Motor Corp still doing very well.
Meanwhile a spate of new Lexus models coming in the next few years.
Based on Japanese Mag-X, sounds like IS will get a major facelift in a few months, and then be totally replaced by a BEV in a few years, while the midsize GS will be a reskinned Mazda premium midsize RWD platform with a 48V mild-hybrid 3.0 in-line six...​​​​​
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Full size SUVs and Pickups is just American culture like supersized fizzy drinks.

Domestically in Japan, while they can make these cars, they are questioning why cave in to such trends just on moral grounds.

 

I guess, but if they sell here, then why not make them? It is a segment that they currently don’t compete very well. The Sequoia was nice when it came out, but we are in 2020 today. If they choose not to compete that would be a shame, as they could really do well here IMO.

 

Moral grounds lol.

 

Toyota doesn’t keep all of their cars around with no updates.

 

yes Toyota execs have been loling at such stupid culture in the boardrooms.

Why a family of 4 needs supersized SUVs and Pickups. Maybe it’s to do with the obesity #1 OECD ranking that USA is so proud of.

 

That doesn’t make sense at all. They sell here, so who cares about the reason? At the end of the day Toyota and Lexus are not competitive in large SUVs or pickups, but they could be.

Also, are you the morality police? If someone wants a large SUV who cares? The point is that there is a market for it and they are not competitive.

 

just because there is a market for something doesn’t mean it should be met. If you think just because a $1 can made then it should be made then you’re loosing the plot and part of the me me me culture.

i care because obnoxious vehicles should be best left for brands like GMC. Toyota will stick to everyday cars being a brand from a reserved culture.

 

Uh, no lol. Toyota builds cars people buy, bottom
line. They aren’t out to change the world they’re a business out to make profit.

The proof is that they do indeed make these vehicles, if they were so against them on “moral grounds” they never would have developed a large Lexus SUV, or a full sized pickup, or all the other big vehicles they make. Issue is they don’t offer very compelling products in those segments, but they offer them.

That attitude by the way just makes me want to go out and buy the biggest most “obnoxious” vehicle I can find. Worry about yourself and your own choices.

 

Ha. The best post

 

What anybody “needs” is beside the point. The majority of people buy vehicles well beyond what they actually need, they buy what they want.

Toyota/Lexus’ issue is they don’t have a lot
of vehicles right now that meet peoples wants.

 

I think your perspective is jaded. Believe what you want. Customer preference is what matters. If you don’t agree, then buy something else. What’s obnoxious is your POV and how if someone doesn’t agree with you then you are derogatory towards their preferences. I will agree to disagree with you.

 

Agreed 100%. Everybody just needs to worry about themselves.

 

The Lexus LX is just a Land cruiser with some upscale appointments. Land cruisers have been around for 50 years as a way of surviving tough terrains and tow heavy load.

When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.

This forum is called Car Chat. It’s full of opinions. Welcome to the internet.