That’s pretty cool. So given that information it’s also fast from a roll, not just from a stop. I hear some people say it falls off at the higher speeds but it really doesn’t if it’s trapping like that.

 

Its crazy fast from a roll around 40mph. It moderates around 80mph and then lags around 110mph. So yes, it does fall off at high speed. I'd say your 340 is as fast as a P3D around 100mph and faster after. From a dig, a C63 AMG will pass a P3D around 130mph from videos i've seen. If you are just driving and punch it, since its direct drive, the car just flies so there is that.

 

I have a 0-60 in 3.5sec car and you can barely use it on the road without getting stuck behind a corolla or about to get arrested. I can barely go over 3000rpm without crushing the speed limit. What is 0-60 in 2.3 going to do for me? Cars that are 0-60 in 6.5 sec or faster is plenty fast enough to pass most vehicles on the road in the real world. I can pass things in my Ram without a sweat (6.1s). 0-60 in real world usage has huge diminishing returns but its great if you want to paper race your friends

 

I gotta ask, why did you buy it?

 

It's a viper. Everyone in the street would know if he went 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Lol.

You can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds effortlessly in a Tesla and it's completely silent. That makes a big difference on how you drive the car.

 

Viper is an awesome car in a sledgehammer kinda way. I think they are very cool.

 

I agree. It's a crazy car and would totally be a weekend car for me that does track duty. But you just can't drive it fast without being noticed. Haha.

 

You can't drive it any way without being noticed.

 

when I first drove one (model s 90D) I was a bit surprised that putting your foot down at 20 was more impressive than from a stop, and yea after 70-80 you can feel it starting to lose steam

as matt farah said: "there is no gap in traffic too small" to just zip past someone, and before they can even react you're already multiple car lengths ahead

i'm very much looking forward to a nice 40 mph start roll race against a P3D

 

From my experience, the P3D at 40mph is at its sweet spot and will pull on almost anything. The higher speeds that advantage goes away so something like an AMG 63 will pass it for sure...just a matter of time

 

yea stepping on the 'gas' in that at 40 is just immediate beavis and butthead idiotic giggling... it's very intoxicating and addictive to be able to change your momentum and position relative to other cars that quickly

it's the ultimate vehicle if you never need to exceed 80 or so lol... i just wish it had an interior that wasn't only visible when the car was on, but of course a single big touchscreen means infinite flexibility so always tradeoffs...

 

It's probably more likely that acceleration (performance) and range (MPG for ICE) broadly cover categories for vehicles, that people and media care about. Sure, the Audi has other great or redeemable qualities, but when you're engaging the market leader, you're going to be compared to its strengths (OTA updates provide a consistent flow of information for the media to report on). For years, the common idea was that Toyota/Lexus made reliable cars. Most owners on this forum are going to use that as a starting metric for a comparison to any competing product, because Toyota has carved out that reputation (rightfully so). The question for Audi, is whether or not their appeal will transition into EVs, in a way that makes them distinct enough to draw attention away from the features of other brands (or even their own ICE vehicles).

In my personal experience, the vast majority of what Tesla provides via updates, includes features which help customers (entertainment options exists for long(er) periods of waiting, like when charging or parked waiting). There are a handful of easter eggs and fun things thrown in, because it speaks to the brands culture, but I think it's demonstrably false that they aren't also improving quality (Model Y compared to 3) and highly focused on providing relevant feature updates, in relatively short time. If there is any brand conscious of the fact that they need to improve, it's them. See: https://teslascope.com/teslapedia/software

On the topic of discussion, if you're buying a performance version of a car (any brand), it's expected that you receive features which lend to performance. In the case of Tesla, that will also include updates like the one mentioned in the thread, or version 2 of track mode, which was recently released for the 3P.

Personally, I think there is too much focus on the numbers, but in the car world it sells, so it's to be expected. IMO, the response is what you're looking for -and something like power under the curve was improved with this update- but is difficult to write about or express, because it's best understood with actual seat-time. My F when stock was more than fast enough for the street, too, but even with a modded/responsive N/A motor (at least in the mid-RPMs), it isn't nearly as responsive as the 3. That instantaneous feel is what really separates the two and it isn't totally revealed in the numbers.

On diminishing returns, I'm not seeing how that really applies, here. It's a performance boost, on a performance version of a car, warranty intact, no further investment, that doesn't require you to leave the house. I'm comparing that to a power boost on other cars, or something like a supercharger for the F, which come with a plethora of other concerns and considerations (heat, reliability, maintenance, etc.), that require significant time and money investment.

 

Great post. I see you have an ISF and I would never call that car soulless. When comparing your P3D to the ISF, do you think it lacks character or do you find them equally enjoyable.

Also, the Tesla instant responsiveness makes the car feel so much faster than a comparable ICE horsepower car. Its like going from a CD player to a digital music player...just so much more quick and responsive on everything. Makes most engines feel antiquated.

 

Good analogy, I agree. Funny you say that, because 10-12 years ago, many people did consider the F unfit and soulless, only worthy of its engine note, lol.

Personally, I think the 3 has a lot of character, but it's expressed differently. People tend to consider other cars based on their current point of reference, then check boxes off. I get it, but it doesn't always let other vehicles come into their own or do them justice-- this is especially the case when looking at the radical difference between gas and electric powertrains. The F pushes me back between shifts and is more overstated/mechanical, while the 3 pushes me back on-throttle and is more understated/efficient. Everything is usable and not wasted. The 3 is sure of its footing, where I can put down power in the wet, then dial in more RWD bias real-time, to tweak and get a different feel. I like the linear response to throttle, where 50% gives a consistent 50%, independent of a specific gear or RPM (both also bring lag). These are all things which define its character, not just how loud it isn't. But then, I've also had fun in a U-Haul truck, lol. As someone once said, there are no boring cars-- just boring drivers.

I think there is a lot to appreciate in any of these cars, but you have to be open when approaching. The part that gets me, is that we Lexus owners constantly have to listen to "no soul", "boring", "cheap luxury" silliness, all the time. We know Lexus vehicles aren't built to the exact taste of their German rivals, but we also know they have their own character, which is why they have a following. Same is true for Tesla, just different.