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Which engine did the X7 you drove have? I haven't driven the X7 but I did spend some time checking out both the X7 and X5 when my car was in for service recently. They are both impressive SUV's and you can tell that BMW did their homework on producing luxury vehicles to appeal to consumers in those segments. Even though we don't need anything that big, I may drive an X5 and X7 one of these days. The dealership was offering either one for a test drive when I was waiting for my car.
I just absolutely disagree, and of all the reviews Ive ever seen or read of the LC, nobody has described it as "muffled and lethargic". The RC-F is a fun car, but its much raw-er than the LC, and IMHO the LC is a much more enjoyable car. I havent driven an AMG GT but Ive ridden in my friend's and its extremely raw, punishing ride quality, not something I would be interested in at all.
The LC is more like a 2 door LS, with some sportiness added, but it truly has a terrible drivetrain. The transmission is hands down worst in business - read some reviews, dont take my word for it, and the engine is fine, but does not hold a candle to the turbo V8s that MB and BMW offers. At least the same engine in RC-F and GS-F makes the noise that almost makes up for the power deficit. A BMW m850i will ride just as good, and at the same time run circles around the LC.
As a driver of an LS, I don’t think the LC feels like the LS at all, and I don’t hear the difference in the sound of the engine that you’re describing, every review I’ve read praises the sound of the LC’s engine. It’s definitely a GT car, but again for enjoyable US roadway driving that’s what you want.
As for the 8 series, I don’t think it’s anywhere near as beautiful as an LC...it’s quite ordinary looking while the LC is truly a beautiful car, one of a kind looking...the 8 series just looks like any BMW coupe.
I drove an X7 yesterday, and honestly...Lexus isn't in the league anymore. That car feels so solid, looks great, interior is great with a few niggles (I will post a review when I get a chance). The chassis feels incredible, so solid and soft riding while still feeling athletic. Feels MORE expensive than it is, it feels like a value...and modern Lexus vehicles just don't feel that way anymore. Compare that X7 to a top line RX350L (and the X7 I drove was not a high spec one) and it simply makes the RX look and feel like...a Toyota.
It should. The X7 starts at almost $75k. The RXL starts at $47k. Not apples to apples.
Agreed. X7 and RXL 2 completely different vehicles. I don't think Lexus at this time has an actual competitor to the X7, but then BMW doesn't have a true off-road luxury SUV such as the GX/LX. Not a big deal in the US, but seems to be overseas. If Lexus does decide to build a unibody luxury SUV above the RXL that would be more comparable to the German offerings
If you want a 3 row crossover from Lexus the RX-L is all there is. Not comparable to an X7 sure, but honestly, I’d rather have a Hyundai Palisade quite frankly.
I haven't driven the Palisade. Don't care for the discount Audi looks, but I wouldn't let that stop me if I liked it enough. I don't particularly like the looks of G90, but I'd pick it over any LS460 or LS500 I've driven.
every review I’ve read praises the sound of the LC’s engine.
Most reviewers (legitimate ones) are flown out and pampered for their reviews. Too negative, and the reviewer never gets another car from that brand again. Public relation companies look for how far of a reach does the review get. And it is possible to make any engine sound great, Lexus truly has an behind the times motor in their LC, but yeah, it sounds great....but is short on power compared to the competition
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I haven't driven the Palisade. Don't care for the discount Audi looks, but I wouldn't let that stop me if I liked it enough. I don't particularly like the looks of G90, but I'd pick it over any LS460 or LS500 I've driven.
You should drive one, its a 3 row crossover Lexus should have. Personally I think its better looking than the RX, but its the packaging of the vehicle that makes it shine.
Nothing against how the RX drives, its not very sophisticated but its a comfy crossover, I just hate how they look and I personally want something with proper luxury level underpinnings, chassis and powertrain. Their 3 row version though is just stupid, you cant even use one of the rear rows if youre using the other one, unless all the passengers behind the front row are kids.
The G90 is a great car, I prefer it to the LS500 but obviously not the LS460L, I seriously considered one before I got mine. The overall ride and refinement doesnt quite equal a 460L on air suspension. Coil suspension, its more similar. The refresh G90 IMHO is hideous and I would never consider one, but the pre refresh model I like a lot.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Most reviewers (legitimate ones) are flown out and pampered for their reviews. Too negative, and the reviewer never gets another car from that brand again. Public relation companies look for how far of a reach does the review get. And it is possible to make any engine sound great, Lexus truly has an behind the times motor in their LC, but yeah, it sounds great....but is short on power compared to the competition
I think thats a little cynical. There are plenty of negative reviews in the auto press. The LC has been out a long time now, there are plenty of press cars around and plenty of reviewers who werent flown anywhere. In any event, drive one and make your own conclusions, I have. Its an awesome car. If you want a reason to have hope for Lexus that car is the reason.
Most reviewers (legitimate ones) are flown out and pampered for their reviews. Too negative, and the reviewer never gets another car from that brand again. Public relation companies look for how far of a reach does the review get. And it is possible to make any engine sound great, Lexus truly has an behind the times motor in their LC, but yeah, it sounds great....but is short on power compared to the competition
Jill's got a point. Although the review-business is not completely one-sided (there are excellent ones, like Alex Dykes, John Davis, and Consumer Reports), there is, in fact, too much sugar-coating, too much of the time, particularly from newspaper-reviews. Or, you get people that do more entertaining then actual reviewing. Not only that, but some of those You-Tube reviewers are actually salespeople from dealerships....people who make their living selling these vehicles. Do you honestly expect them to tell you if the paint job is crappy, the seats are a PITA, the engines and transmissions run and shift like garbage, or if the vehicles have a reputation for being in the shop more than they are out?
That's why, though my own reviewing is far from perfect, I make a real attempt to separate what I think is good from the not-so-good.....as do most of the people here in Car Chat who take the time to review and test-drive.
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I don't think the RX is pretty by any means. Not many SUVs are attractive. But the Palisade is ugly. Terrible proportions. Thick front fenders and the back almost looks like a station wagon. Looks like something from Cadillac SRX era. No way I'd pick this over the RX, even with the discount.
I don't think the RX is pretty by any means. Not many SUVs are attractive. But the Palisade is ugly. Terrible proportions. Thick front fenders and the back almost looks like a station wagon. Looks like something from Cadillac SRX era.
The SRX had a lot more chisled-angles than the Palisade. That was the general Cadillac styling-theme back then.
I don't think the RX is pretty by any means. Not many SUVs are attractive. But the Palisade is ugly. Terrible proportions. Thick front fenders and the back almost looks like a station wagon. Looks like something from Cadillac SRX era. No way I'd pick this over the RX, even with the discount.
Horrible front end. But I don’t see Audi nor do I see SRX
